Calculating Initial Push Force for Box on Floor | Friction Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial push force required to move a 200 N box on a floor with static and kinetic friction coefficients of 0.8 and 0.2, respectively. The force due to static friction is calculated as 160 N, which is the maximum force needed to overcome static friction before the box starts moving. Once the box is in motion at a constant speed of 10 m/s, the force due to kinetic friction is 40 N, leading to the conclusion that the mover must push with an additional force of 120 N to initiate movement compared to maintaining speed. The confusion arises from interpreting the difference in forces required for starting versus maintaining motion. Ultimately, understanding the distinction between static and kinetic friction is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement



A mover pushes a box weighing 200 N along a floor. The coefficient of static friction between the box and the floor is 0.8, while the coefficient of kinetic friction between the box and the floor is 0.2. The mover pushes the box from rest to a constant speed of 10 m/s.

How much harder must the mover push initially to get the box going than to maintain the box’s speed at 10 m/s?

The Attempt at a Solution



Force due to static friction = 200*0.8 = 160 N which should be the answer as the force is applied 'initially'. The answer given is 120 N which ridicules me.
 
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At 10 m/s, what is the force due to kinetic friction?

The difference between static and kinetic will give you "How much harder must the mover push initially".
 
Static frictional force acts till the object starts moving. It's maximum value is 160N. If you apply 160-40 = 120 N to the block, it won't move at all.
 
That's true that if you apply only 120N to the block it will not start to move, but the question is asking what the difference in force required to start the block moving vs the force required to push the block once it is moving.
 
hmm... I guess I did not understand the question earlier.
 
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