Can dx/dy always be used for integration and derivation on a circle?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between derivatives and ratios in the context of integration and differentiation, specifically regarding the expression dx/dy and its application to a circle.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether the expression dx/dy can be equated to x/y universally, questioning the conditions under which this might hold true.

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Some participants assert that the expression is not generally valid and provide counter-examples to illustrate their points. There is ongoing exploration of the conditions necessary for the expression to be applicable.

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Participants are considering specific cases, such as the relationship between y and x in the context of a circle, and the implications of using derivatives in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


is dx/dy= x/y
if yes can i use it always

Homework Equations


for example in a circle
dA/dtheta=A/360

The Attempt at a Solution


if its right sometimes what are the conditions of using it
 
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Generally, no it is not. (You can integrate the expression to find the conditions under which it is true.)
 
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mjc123 said:
Generally, no it is not.
And it is quite easy to find counter-examples. For example, let ##y = x^2##. Then ##dy/dx = 2x \neq y/x = x##.
 
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Orodruin said:
And it is quite easy to find counter-examples. For example, let ##y = x^2##. Then ##dy/dx = 2x \neq y/x = x##.
ok thank you
 
See the graph below for an illustration. The secant is the line through the origin that cuts the curve at (x,y); its slope is y/x. The tangent is the line that touches the curve at (x,y); its slope is dy/dx, the instantaneous slope of the curve at (x,y), or the rate of change of y with x at that point.

tangent & secant.png
 

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