Change in density due to thermal expansion

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical proof of how the density of an object changes due to thermal expansion, specifically exploring the relationship between density, volume, and temperature changes. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the derivation of the equation relating density change to linear expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass, volume, and density, with attempts to derive the equation Δρ/ρ = -3(ΔL/L) from the given equations. Questions arise about the correctness of algebraic manipulations and the implications of signs in the equations.

Discussion Status

There are multiple approaches being explored, with some participants suggesting methods to derive the relationship while others question the algebraic steps taken. A lack of consensus on the correctness of the algebra and the presence of a negative sign indicates ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions of density and volume, as well as the assumptions made in the derivation process. There is mention of neglecting non-linear terms in the analysis, which may affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement


I want to find the mathematical proof to show that the density of an object changes with thermal expansion. My professor showed this in class and it was horribly wrong because he let a few things out. The book I'm reading showed it in 4 steps and left out a lot of the crucial parts. I've been working on this for a few days.

How do I go from, Δρ=m/ΔV, to Δρ/ρ= -3(ΔL/L) ?
I think these are the relevant equations:
V=(1+βΔT)Vi
L=(1+αΔT)Li
V=m/ρ

The Attempt at a Solution


This is how I got it but I don't think it's correct: m.imgur.com/a/ZOfCp
 
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My friend, don't struggle so much for it.

You know that ρ=m/V.
Let ρ°=m/V°.
Then V°= V( 1+γΔT) where γ=3α.
Put that into the equation above, divide by ρ, subtract 1. You have your answer.
 
empty_set said:

Homework Statement


I want to find the mathematical proof to show that the density of an object changes with thermal expansion. My professor showed this in class and it was horribly wrong because he let a few things out. The book I'm reading showed it in 4 steps and left out a lot of the crucial parts. I've been working on this for a few days.

How do I go from, Δρ=m/ΔV, to Δρ/ρ= -3(ΔL/L) ?
I think these are the relevant equations:
V=(1+βΔT)Vi
L=(1+αΔT)Li
V=m/ρ

The Attempt at a Solution


This is how I got it but I don't think it's correct: m.imgur.com/a/ZOfCp
It isn't clear what you did. I suggest doing the analysis on a cube. $$V_0=L_0^3$$
$$V=L^3=[L_0(1+\alpha \Delta T)]^3$$
and neglect non-linear terms in ##\Delta T##.
 
For both of those methods I got Δρ/ρ = 3(ΔL/L). Would the negative be implied or is my algebra wrong?
 
empty_set said:
For both of those methods I got Δρ/ρ = 3(ΔL/L). Would the negative be implied or is my algebra wrong?
There should be a minus sign in this equation.
 
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Your algebra is wrong. My method WILL give a minus sign inherently. Check again. You probably got confused with the ρ and ρ°.
 

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