Change of Variables in Multiple Integrals

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The problem is:

R is the parallelogram bounded by the lines x+y=2, x+y=4, 2x-y=1, and 2x-y=4. Use the transformation u=x+y and v=2x-y to find the area of R.


I am not sure how to complete this problem. My first issue is that I don't know how to convert the transformation functions into functions of u and v, to find the Jacobian.

Second, the region R is a diamond shape in the xy plane. I don't understand how to map this figure into the uv plane. Could someone please provide some advice on this problem?

Thanks for your help.
 
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newyorkcity said:
The problem is:

R is the parallelogram bounded by the lines x+y=2, x+y=4, 2x-y=1, and 2x-y=4. Use the transformation u=x+y and v=2x-y to find the area of R. My first issue is that I don't know how to convert the transformation functions into functions of u and v, to find the Jacobian.

You don't need to convert anything. The transformation functions were chosen to match the terms in the equations for the lines. So one transformed line is just u = 2 , and similarly for the rest. You will end up with a rectangle in the uv-plane, for which you can find an area. You will then need the Jacobian in order to find the factor you must multiply this by in order to obtain the area in the xy-plane.
 
The general formula for the Jacobian is |d(x,y) / d(u,v)|... so in this case, would I find |d(u,v) / d(x,y)|, since I can't find the first unless the transformation functions are not in terms of u and v?

Just to confirm, after finding the Jacobian, to find the area, I will compute:

int( int(Jacobian) dv) du)

since the area is found by integrating 1 over the region, correct?I see what you mean now... u=x+y and x+y=2,4 so this will translate to u=2,4 on the uv plane. And similarly for v.
 
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newyorkcity said:
The general formula for the Jacobian is |d(x,y) / d(u,v)|... so in this case, would I find |d(u,v) / d(x,y)|

|d(u,v) / d(x,y)| is the notation for the Jacobian. Does d(x,y) mean anything to you, other than the top part of the symbol for the Jacobian?

The "formula" or definition of the Jacobian of a transformation f: R^n \rightarrow R^n is as follows. The Jacobian is the determinant of the matrix Df where Df_{i,j} = \frac{\partial f_i}{\partial x_j}

Your problem was stated using different notation. Translating between your notation and my notation gives: u(x,y) = f_1(x_1,x_2); v(x,y) = f_2(x_1,x_2); x=x_1,y=x_2.
 
newyorkcity said:
R is the parallelogram bounded by the lines x+y=2, x+y=4, 2x-y=1, and 2x-y=4. Use the transformation u=x+y and v=2x-y to find the area of R.

I am not sure how to complete this problem. My first issue is that I don't know how to convert the transformation functions into functions of u and v, to find the Jacobian.
It's basic algebra. You have
\begin{align*}
x+y &=u \\
2x-y &= v
\end{align*}
Compare to, say,
\begin{align*}
x+y &=1 \\
2x-y &=2
\end{align*}
How would you solve for x and y in the latter case?
 
upsidedowntop said:
|d(u,v) / d(x,y)| is the notation for the Jacobian. Does d(x,y) mean anything to you, other than the top part of the symbol for the Jacobian?

The "formula" or definition of the Jacobian of a transformation f: R^n \rightarrow R^n is as follows. The Jacobian is the determinant of the matrix Df where Df_{i,j} = \frac{\partial f_i}{\partial x_j}

Your problem was stated using different notation. Translating between your notation and my notation gives: u(x,y) = f_1(x_1,x_2); v(x,y) = f_2(x_1,x_2); x=x_1,y=x_2.

I understand that the Jacobian is the determinant. What this means to me is that I should find:

| du/dx du/dy |
| |
| dv/dx dv/dy |

From what I understand, the Jacobian of the transformation given by x=g(u,v) and y=g(u,v) is:

|d(x,y) / d(u,v)|

But because my transformation functions are functions of x,y, then I will find:

|d(u,v) / d(x,y)|

Is this interpretation correct?
 
vela said:
It's basic algebra. You have
\begin{align*}
x+y &=u \\
2x-y &= v
\end{align*}
Compare to, say,
\begin{align*}
x+y &=1 \\
2x-y &=2
\end{align*}
How would you solve for x and y in the latter case?

I think I understand that already, see above... my problem was that I copied the functions, on paper, in terms of y so that I could plot the functions. I overlooked the relationship because of this (whoops, really tired lol).
 
newyorkcity said:
The general formula for the Jacobian is |d(x,y) / d(u,v)|... so in this case, would I find |d(u,v) / d(x,y)|, since I can't find the first unless the transformation functions are not in terms of u and v?

I believe there is a way to use the Jacobian written the other way if the functions can be inverted, but they were nice to you in this problem by giving you linear functions. You can solve the system of two equations for u and v as functions of x and y . (Add the two to get u + v = 3x , and so forth.)

Now you can use |d(x,y) / d(u,v)| . You'll have linear functions which are simple to differentiate, giving you a Jacobian which has a constant value. (Keep in mind that we use the absolute value of the determinant.)

Just to confirm, after finding the Jacobian, to find the area, I will compute:

int( int(Jacobian) dv) du)

since the area is found by integrating 1 over the region, correct?

I believe that is correct. In this problem, you won't really have to integrate, since geometry will give you the area of your region in the uv-plane.


On a quick search, here is a slightly more complicated example which illustrates the method: http://www.math.oregonstate.edu/home/programs/undergrad/CalculusQuestStudyGuides/vcalc/change/change.html"
 
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newyorkcity said:
I understand that the Jacobian is the determinant. What this means to me is that I should find:

| du/dx du/dy |
| |
| dv/dx dv/dy |

From what I understand, the Jacobian of the transformation given by x=g(u,v) and y=g(u,v) is:

|d(x,y) / d(u,v)|

But because my transformation functions are functions of x,y, then I will find:

|d(u,v) / d(x,y)|

Is this interpretation correct?

Yes, that's right. I'm sorry, I brought it up. It's a common mistake for people to think that the slash in the symbol for derivatives or the Jacobian is a division sign. So, when you called the symbol for the Jacobian a formula, I thought you were taking that mistake. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
 
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newyorkcity said:
I think I understand that already, see above... my problem was that I copied the functions, on paper, in terms of y so that I could plot the functions. I overlooked the relationship because of this (whoops, really tired lol).
I think you missed the point I was making which was it's straightforward to invert the transformation functions to find x=x(u,v) and y=y(u,v).
 
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upsidedowntop said:
Yes, that's right. I'm sorry, I brought it up. It's a common mistake for people to think that the slash in the symbol for derivatives or the Jacobian is a division sign. So, when you called the symbol for the Jacobian a formula, I thought you were taking that mistake. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

No problem, I am sure that information might be of use to someone who comes across this thread in the future.

So what I have pulled together is the following...

Using lin alg to convert the transformation functions:

x=u/3 + v/3
y=2u/3 - v/3

J =
|d(x,y)/d(u,v)|=
|1/3 1/3|
|2/3 -1/3|
=-1/3

so:

int( int( 1/3 dv) du) u=2..4 v=1..4

or based on simple geometry, 2*3=6

If all of the above is correct, my only question that still remains is that of the use of the Jacobian when changing variables. When calculating

|d(u,v)/d(x,y)| = -3

and

|d(x,y)/d(u,v)| = -1/3

so does this relationship imply (as a general rule) that the correct Jacobian for integration is the inverse of that calculated for the transformation function given?
 
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vela said:
I think you missed the point I was making which was it's straightforward to invert the transformation functions to find x=x(u,v) and y=y(u,v).

See the post immediately above this one.

Are you just implying that I should use linear algebra, subtracting / adding equations to find the transformation funcs as functions of u,v?
 
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newyorkcity said:
No problem, I am sure that information might be of use to someone who comes across this thread in the future.

So what I have pulled together is the following...

Using lin alg to convert the transformation functions:

x=u/3 + v/3
y=2u/3 - v/3

J =
|d(x,y)/d(u,v)|=
|1/3 1/3|
|2/3 -1/3|
=-1/3

J is the absolute value of the determinant, or 1/3 .

so:

int( int( 1/3 dv) du) u=2..4 v=1..4

or based on simple geometry, 2*3=6

Isn't that (1/3) * 2 * 3 ?


If all of the above is correct, my only question that still remains is that of the use of the Jacobian when changing variables. When calculating

|d(u,v)/d(x,y)| = -3

and

|d(x,y)/d(u,v)| = -1/3

so does this relationship imply (as a general rule) that the correct Jacobian for integration is the inverse of that calculated for the transformation function given?

I hunted around a bit and found that your statement is correct as a general rule. I think the limitation would be that you may not always be able to invert x and y to write u and v . (Presumably, it's true anyway for the implicit inverse functions -- you just wouldn't be able to write the expressions...)

In the end, for this problem, you want to have the value |d(x,y)/d(u,v)| = 1/3 , since we have to go back from the uv-plane to the xy-plane to give the area for the original parallelogram.
 
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