Circuit problem Kirchkoff's law

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving Kirchhoff's laws, specifically focusing on current calculations and voltage differences in a circuit with an open and closed switch. Participants are examining the behavior of currents and voltages in different circuit configurations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to solve multiple parts of the problem, including calculating current with an open switch, power dissipation in a resistor, and current through a closed switch. They express uncertainty about the voltage difference between two points in the circuit.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's calculations for parts a to c, indicating that their reasoning appears correct. However, there is ongoing inquiry regarding part d, with suggestions to apply Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to determine the voltage difference.

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Participants are discussing the implications of an open switch on circuit behavior and the assumptions made regarding voltage drops across components. There is also mention of needing values for currents when applying KVL in part d.

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Homework Statement


a) With the switch open, what is the current I1 ? (A positive sign means that current
flows in the direction of the arrow.)

b) Once the switch is closed in the circuit, what is the power dissipated in the 47 Ω
resistor?

c) How much current passes through the closed switch?

d) With the switch closed, what is the voltage difference, VA-VB ?

Homework Equations


junction rule: I3 = I2 + I1
Loop rule(s)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted all 4 parts, please check my solutions? (parts a to c should be correct, but d not too sure.)

For a) Uses the same picture as part b

I believe that because there is a open switch, then the whole circuit became a series.
1st step: I got the Req value = 5ohms + 22ohms + 47ohms + 15ohms = 89ohms.
2nd step: I got the Veq value = 10.0V + (-6.0V) = 4.0v
3rd step: I did I = V/R = 4.0V/89ohms = 0.0449 A = I1.

For b) I have very badly drawn out all of the current directions(the switch is also closed) the top loop and the bottom loop would be separate with a junction at the middle piece on either end.

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First, I got that I2 + I1 = I3.

Then, I solved for the top loop, starting at the negative terminal side of the battery with 10V moving clockwise.
Top loop(clockwise): +10V1 - 15*I1 - 47*I1 + (0V since I'm assuming no Voltage drop across switch) = 0
Bottom loop(counter clockwise): -5*I2 + 6V2 - 22*I2 + 0V = 0

For the top loop: I isolated I1 and got 10/62 = 0.161 = I1
For the bottom loop: I got 6/27 = 0.222A = I2

Power dissipated in 47 ohm resistor I am assuming would be I1^2 * R = (0.161)^2 * 47 = 1.22 Watts?

Part c)
I'm not totally sure how I do this one, but I think that the current passing through the closed switch is just I3? which is I3 = I1 + I2 = 0.161 + 0.222 = 0.383A.

Part d)
For this part.. I am not quite sure.
I was thinking of like, VA - VB means we have to get from VB to VA in the circuit.
So... like VA - VB = +6V2 - 22*I2 + 47*I1? (going counter clockwise up the loop from the 6V battery.)
which would give me VA - VB = 6 - 22(0.222)+47(0.161) = 8.68 V.
 
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That all looks right.
 
Your work is correct.
 
anyone know how I would do part d.
 
johnknee said:
anyone know how I would do part d.
You can do a "KVL walk" from node A to node B, summing the potential changes along the way. You'll want to have values for both I1 and I2 to use when your walk passes through resistors carrying those currents.
 
Exactly as you did it above or you could use I1* 47+I2*5 or -I1*15 +10V+I2*5 which should all give you the same result.
I.e. no matter which path you use between A and B the voltage difference should be the same.
 

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