Determining the diffusivity of HCl in air - an experiment

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The discussion revolves around an experiment aimed at determining the diffusivity of hydrochloric acid (HCl) in air. Participants explore the methodology, data collected, and the search for an appropriate theoretical model to analyze the results. The scope includes experimental design and theoretical modeling.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment involving the measurement of the time taken for HCl to diffuse through air, using litmus paper as an indicator.
  • The participant mentions using a model by John Gordon Skellam, but questions its applicability to their experiment, noting it is a reaction-diffusion model related to invasion biology.
  • Another participant suggests that the diffusion might be influenced by Brownian motion, prompting a question about the nature of the diffusion process.
  • There is a suggestion to seek advice from a chemistry sub-forum for additional insights on diffusion models applicable to gases.
  • One participant notes that others in their class are also struggling to find a suitable model, indicating a collective challenge in the search for theoretical frameworks.
  • Another participant proposes that both gravity and Brownian motion could be factors influencing the diffusion observed in the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the appropriate model for analyzing the diffusion of HCl in air. There is no consensus on a specific model, and multiple viewpoints regarding the factors influencing diffusion are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a conclusion about the most suitable model for their experiment, and there are unresolved questions regarding the influence of various physical phenomena on the diffusion process.

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we made an experiment to determine the diffusivity of HCl in air by knowing the Temperature, Distances moved by HCl molecules and correspondent times, the temperature of air inside the tube was equal to 27.8°C, and the procedure were: Five indicators (Litmus papers) were put inside the glass tube and separated by suitable distances. The distances between the indicators were measured using the ruler & were recorded. A small piece of cotton was held using a tongs and wetted with Conc. HCl from the burette. The cotton was placed inside the tube and immediately the tube was closed. At the same instant of putting the piece of cotton inside the tube, the stop watch was started. The time each piece of litmus started to turn its color from blue to red was recorded. The distance between the cotton & the first litmus was measured and recorded. When the last paper’s color changed, the cotton was removed from the tube, we obtained this results:

distance(cm)______________time (sec)
12_______________________79.8
27_______________________320.75
33.5_____________________510.14
42.5_____________________705.45
52.5_____________________923.87

we used a model by John Gordon Skellam; DAB = z^2/(π^2*t), but then I've found out that this model is a reaction-diffusion model of invasion biology, which has nothing to do with our experiment, I've been searching the internet and some books from my library for quiet a while for another simple model to use, but I haven't found anything helpful, and its also required to show a whole background about the model and who invented it and how
 
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It sounds like an interesting experiment. Are others in your class also searching for an applicable model for this? Has their search been any more fruitful?

Would it be diffusion entirely due to Brownian motion?
 
yes the others are also searching for an applicable model, but non of the people I know could make it any further
 

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