Electric Field On A Point Charge Due To A Uniformly Charged Rod

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This discussion revolves around calculating the electric field at a point charge's location due to a uniformly charged rod. The original poster is attempting to set up an integral for this calculation, focusing on the relationship between the charge distribution and the electric field produced.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster describes their method of integrating contributions from infinitesimal charge elements along the rod and expresses uncertainty about the expression for the distance "r" from the point charge to these elements. They propose using "r = (a + y)" and seek confirmation on this approach.
  • Some participants question the setup, noting that typical examples feature the point charge positioned perpendicularly to the rod, prompting a discussion about the implications of this configuration.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative expression for "r" as "(a - y)" and seeks clarification on how this accounts for the distances involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expression for "r," and there is a collaborative effort to clarify the assumptions being made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's approach diverges from typical examples found in textbooks, which commonly feature perpendicular configurations. This raises questions about the validity of their setup and the assumptions underlying their calculations.

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Homework Statement


This is regarding setting up an integral to calculate the electric field on a point charge that is at a distance "a" from a uniformly charged rod of length "L". I have attached a picture of my work, which includes a diagram of the problem, and wanted to know if my thought process is correct.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Finding a general expression for the electric field produced by an infinitely small "piece" of charge and then adding them all up. The charged rod is parallel to the y-axis and it's center is at the origin.

We know that the linear charge density is

λ=(Q/L).

For an infinitely small piece of charge, we say λ=(dQ/dL), so dQ=λ*dL


The formula for the Electric field on a point charge is E=q/((4∏ε)*r^2)

To find an expression for the Electric field produced by the small piece of charge, we can replace q with dQ

dE=dQ/((4∏ε)*r^2)

(substitue λ*dL for dQ)

dE=λ*dL / ((4∏ε)*r^2)


The part that I am unsure about is finding an expression for the "r". Would it be reasonable to say that "r = (a+y)", where y is the variable that I am integrating, and my limits of integration would be [(-L/2),(L/2)]? The reason I am saying (a+y) is because if I plug "-L/2" in for y, then (a-(L/2)) is the distance from the point charge "a" to the end of the rod that is above the origin. If I plug in "L/2" for y, then (a+(L/2)) takes care of the distance from the point charge "a" to the end of the rod below the origin. If I plug in 0 for y, then I simply get "a" which makes sense, since that is the distance from the origin to the point charge.

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Hi Unix! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

Yes that all seems ok so far …

what is worrying you about that?​

(btw, are you sure the diagram is correct? these questions usually have the point charge perpendicular to the rod)
 
Unix said:

Homework Statement


This is regarding setting up an integral to calculate the electric field on a point charge that is at a distance "a" from a uniformly charged rod of length "L". I have attached a picture of my work, which includes a diagram of the problem, and wanted to know if my thought process is correct.

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


Finding a general expression for the electric field produced by an infinitely small "piece" of charge and then adding them all up. The charged rod is parallel to the y-axis and it's center is at the origin.

We know that the linear charge density is

λ=(Q/L).

For an infinitely small piece of charge, we say λ=(dQ/dL), so dQ=λ*dL

The formula for the Electric field on a point charge is E=q/((4∏ε)*r^2)

To find an expression for the Electric field produced by the small piece of charge, we can replace q with dQ

dE=dQ/((4∏ε)*r^2)

(substitue λ*dL for dQ)

dE=λ*dL / ((4∏ε)*r^2)


The part that I am unsure about is finding an expression for the "r". Would it be reasonable to say that "r = (a+y)", where y is the variable that I am integrating, and my limits of integration would be [(-L/2),(L/2)]? The reason I am saying (a+y) is because if I plug "-L/2" in for y, then (a-(L/2)) is the distance from the point charge "a" to the end of the rod that is above the origin. If I plug in "L/2" for y, then (a+(L/2)) takes care of the distance from the point charge "a" to the end of the rod below the origin. If I plug in 0 for y, then I simply get "a" which makes sense, since that is the distance from the origin to the point charge.

I hope my post was formatted correctly, please let me know if It is not, and I will be sure to make changes in the future
The distance from y=a to any arbitrary y on the charged rod is a - y .

Therefore, r = (a - y) .
 
Thank you for your quick responses! :)

Tiny-tim: All of the examples in my physics book did in fact consist of charges that were perpendicular to the rod. I hadn't tried a problem where the charge was on the same axis as the rod so I thought I would give it a shot and make sure I could reason it out if I saw it on an exam (I mainly posted up here to get confirmation on my thought process :) ).

SammyS:
I plugged in a few numbers into (a-y) and it makes sense now. By having (a-y), then the negative sign accounts for points that are below the axis such as (a-(-L/2)) correct?
 
Unix said:
Thank you for your quick responses! :)
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SammyS:
I plugged in a few numbers into (a-y) and it makes sense now. By having (a-y), then the negative sign accounts for points that are below the axis such as (a-(-L/2)) correct?
Yes.
 

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