Father puts .45 rounds into teenage girl's laptop

[MathematicalPhysicist]

Asta Lavista, Laptop.
:-D

 

[JaredJames]

Indeed, so the parents made the choice. The child never chooses their parents and their environment, and therefore has no requirement to respect it.

I answered this exact point many posts back.

A parent chooses to have a child, correct. That parent then becomes bound to provide the legally acceptable minimum the child needs to survive. The child doesn't have to show any respect for them doing that.

It's all the other stuff, the 'added extras' that the child should respect the parent for. They can even be a sign of respect both ways (see previous post for that one).

The way you are going on, you'd think parents are supposed to supply many thousands of dollars of kit for their kids and the kids should just believe "yeah, you're my parents that's what your supposed to do". Utter non-sense - their not supposed to do anything of the sort.

No, you shouldn't bribe kids with presents. I know someone who did this for years and their kids are complete brats.

 

[JaredJames]

I forgot to say in point 1 that the child never humiliated her dad in front of the public eye. She just sent a message to a few close friends. You never vented about your parents to your friends??

1. Do we know it was set so privately no one outside of the personal friends could see it?

2. She was still grounded for 3 months from the last time she slagged them off - circumstances around which we don't know where she did it - publicly or otherwise.

 

[Constantinos]

There are too many unknowns to have an opinion on the incident.

As far as kids respecting their parents and vice versa goes, I don't think it should be a necessity.

Because a 15 year old might have unrealistic expectations from her parents. Imagine for example a child that, in order to respect her parents, expects from them to always buy her the things she asks and not do any chores around the house. Imagine also that (as many children do) she is set on her opinion no matter what. How can the parents earn her respect then? She shouldn't expect these things and respect or not, she will have to comply! Words can get you so far, after that its either the parents' way or the child's.

The only criterion of how good parenting was to a child is what she does when she grows up eventually. Maybe a little disrespecting isn't all that bad! Every child and every parent is special.

 

[Jasongreat]

Obviously. Kids pick up on their parents' attitudes and values by osmosis, by being around them all day long for years. The behavior the Dad is protesting is behavior he and or the mother unwittingly taught her. It doesn't surprise me that a guy who responds to a problem like this with a .45 has a bratty daughter. What surprises me is that she's not much worse.

I pretty much agree, although I have no problem whatsoever, with what he did. The only problem i see comes, IMO, when he publicly dissed his daughter to get even with her for dissing him publicly, seems hypocritical. On the other hand, one could say that he publicly dissed her to show her how it felt to be publicly dissed.

It reminds me of an old saying, by the time your bad enough to kick your fathers a**, you will have too much respect for him to ever think about doing it. Respect comes with time, during the teenage years it is hard to focus on the good, its easy to focus on the bad.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I pretty much agree, although I have no problem whatsoever, with what he did. The only problem i see comes, IMO, when he publicly dissed his daughter to get even with her for dissing him publicly, seems hypocritical. On the other hand, one could say that he publicly dissed her to show her how it felt to be publicly dissed.

It reminds me of an old saying, by the time your bad enough to kick your fathers a**, you will have too much respect for him to ever think about doing it. Respect comes with time, during the teenage years it is hard to focus on the good, its easy to focus on the bad.

Laws are different in different places. Here in San Diego discharging a firearm is illegal within the city limits except at a firing range. He would have been ticketed and the gun might have been confiscated. No one wants to live next to someone who shoots a gun off when he's ticked at his kids. It's on the psycho side. I know a guy who had the cops come over twice because he was in the back yard shooting at rattle snakes. His neighbors, quite rightly, called the cops. It turned out the guy was losing his mind - had a brain tumor. That's the feeling I would have about anyone who shot a gun off at home; there must be a screw loose.

 

[cristycs]

Both are wrong. You figure it out.

 

[Char. Limit]

Both are wrong. You figure it out.

What a brilliant and totally enlightening post! Informative too.

 

[cristycs]

What a brilliant and totally enlightening post! Informative too.

Well it is. A logical person should see it. (might need a bit of imagination to).

EDIT: hint "math" problem.

 

[I like Serena]

Both are wrong. You figure it out.

Well it is. A logical person should see it. (might need a bit of imagination to).

EDIT: hint "math" problem.

Are we allowed to shoot you?

 

[cristycs]

Are we allowed to shoot you?

If your goal in life is me getting shoot I would gladly stay and take a bullet.

EDIT: why would you like to shoot me ?

 

[fellupahill]

You guys can say all you want bad about the father. The girls major complaints were chores. Not molestation or other abuse. She even needed to lie and say she made "all the beds every morning" and "had to do everyone's laundry" cause she knew the truth was at worst, minimal even to kids.(the dad pointed out that what she claimed was a lie) The girl obviously has decent parents if they care enough to take the time to make a stupid video like that. My mom woulda been to drunk to even use the computer lmfao. The fact that they go through the trouble to check posts that are blocked from them seeing also goes a long way.
I think all parents should read their kids facebook and be involved in their lives. This is coming from a 22 year old who knows what can happen if their parents don't show interest(me lol). I see it with my younger friends now too. buddy of mines younger brother is 14 and smokes heroin. His parents DONT KNOW. He has all the symptoms of a junkie, gets sick, bags under his eyes, pens all go missing, he posts it on his facebook occasionally, AND HIS PARENTS DON'T KNOW. The kid is going to die because the parents don't care enough to check. Its stupid when its that obvious. (I said it in that context to make a point. As of about 3 weeks ago the kid went to rehab after being arrested at school with dope. After using for at least 6 months, that's just the time my brother knew he was doing it). I bought my brother a drug test, and tested him just to be sure. There are ALOT of young kids doing H. I mean ALOT. I don't know if its always been like that, but they are YOUNG. 13-14 doing Meth and H.

Back to the point (sorry lol) One could probably argue that shooting it was a little over reaction. We can't say he over reacted with how he felt, just the act of shooting was too much. Now if we assume this, then if we assume that they also live in a different environment from most. THis could easily say that relative to what is considered usual were there from, its not as over the top as one might think. No one was ever in danger, and it definitely sent a point. I think personally he should be applauded for going outside the box and thinking unconventionally to raise his kid right. Now she will have a reminder that she can see and remember that all the stuff she has is a privilege not a right, and that she is blessed and should be greatfull. At least in a perfect world she would think that. She would probably think about how crazy her dad was, but hopefully when she is older she will be great-full for the lesson.

 

[Char. Limit]

Well it is. A logical person should see it. (might need a bit of imagination to).

EDIT: hint "math" problem.

We shouldn't have to, though. This isn't the homework help section. Just tell us what you're trying to say.

 

[jim hardy]

Dad did exactly what he said he would do.

"I told her if no uncertain terms that we had already taken it away from her once. The next time, there wouldn’t be the same chance. If it happened again, “I’ll put a bullet through it.”"

had he not , what would have been the message?

That tale will become a family legend and the grandkids will love it.

There's almost a song about it already -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7VKdwx5AB5k

old jim

 

[cristycs]

We shouldn't have to, though. This isn't the homework help section. Just tell us what you're trying to say.

Thinking for a solution to a problem is not homework.

Well every person has his opinion, it is harder to try to convince someone about my opinions, it's the end result that matters. Me saying "Both are wrong." is like saying to you: x+y=z dosen't matter to me if x=-3 and y=3 or x and y are both 0 where x=my opinion about the father and y=my opinion about the daughter and z=("Both are wrong"), the only thing that matters is if we agree that z="both are wrong".

Ex: 3 people tasting a 3 layer cake, and the first one says I don't like the cake because of the second layer, the second one says I don't like the cake because the first layer, and the third one says I don't like neither of the layers. Why should they be arguing about the layers? when they have something in common, they all didn't like the cake.

This can be extended to religion, politics, education...

 

[Kholdstare]

If it was a Mac that bullet did not go wasted. :)

 

[feathermoon]

I didn't say anyone said it was illegal.

I was commenting on the complaint of them using a gun how they feel, moral arguments aside, it was perfectly acceptable to do it (RE: all that 'endangerment' nonsense).

Well, considering that the odds of being shot by a gun increase dramatically when you decide to keep one in the house, I'd hardly consider gun safety "'endangerment' nonsense" at all. He also has a responsibility to teach his children to respect firearms, and discharging them into appliances a few feet from the house doesn't quite do that.

 

[feathermoon]

The line about the extras are just extraneous things that parents usually give as gifts so that the child can be happier. It is a form of love and in that same light should earn more respect from the child for the parent. The parent just doesn't give the child things for no particular reason. Gifts are a form of endearment of the child.

They raised her the best way the could but like many other parents, they aren't perfect. The father just decided to teach her a lesson because she disrespected him.

Its not really human nature to respect someone that dotes on you. Things that are free are not valued. If he wanted respect, he should've made her earn the laptop to begin, not given it to her and then taken it away. He was wrong in this regard, imo.

 

[feathermoon]

Think about the child slaves in Africa mining materials for that laptop. Should've given it away.

Posting the video to her wall, while amusing, was immature. Kids make big deals about their public image. I'd imagine she'll be known as that 'girl with the lunatic father' to other kids at school. Not what I'd want to put my kid through.

 

[BeBattey]

Quick relevant link drop about parenting, and the delaying of gratitude:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204740904577196931457473816.html

No matter if he's a good or bad parent, it's a good thing he went through with what he said. Beyond that it's a deep debate on parenting.

That said I thought it was hilarious.

 

[cristo]

She should have got a mac.

Seriously, though, the father's an idiot, teaching his daughter that a gun is a toy and wasting a few hundred dollars of his own money along the way.

 

[thorium1010]

why most on this thread, not see that the father overreacted a lot more than normally should have.If he wanted to get rid of the laptop, he could have donated it to charity or given it to someone else on the road, if he thinks his daughter does not deserve it.

And this does not solve anything, she can access internet from anywhere not necessarily use a laptop (computers are everywhere remember !).

 

[ArcherofScience]

how much do you want to bet they're texan? How much? Anyone? Just lol on the accent, its texan yep.

I think the father did a splendid thing and better yet put it on the viral internet to embarrass. Here are fathers of today, ones who actually go to the best point to teach they're kids a lesson. :)

Now if they are texan, and they live in my city, it's going to be one hell of a time at my school on Monday.

Just yeehaw, and props to the dad. :)

 

[fourier jr]

Seriously, though, the father's an idiot, teaching his daughter that a gun is a toy and wasting a few hundred dollars of his own money along the way.

but he's going to extort the $130 from her for the parts, so he'll at least get that back. This whole thing reminds me of rick perry & the coyote.

 

[Char. Limit]

why most on this thread, not see that the father overreacted a lot more than normally should have.If he wanted to get rid of the laptop, he could have donated it to charity or given it to someone else on the road, if he thinks his daughter does not deserve it.

And this does not solve anything, she can access internet from anywhere not necessarily use a laptop (computers are everywhere remember !).

Are you kidding? Seems to me like the vast majority of this thread thinks the father is a terrible person, and should be shot himself. Okay, not quite THAT bad, but seems like everyone in this thread thinks the father is a terrible person.

how much do you want to bet they're texan? How much? Anyone? Just lol on the accent, its texan yep.

I think the father did a splendid thing and better yet put it on the viral internet to embarrass. Here are fathers of today, ones who actually go to the best point to teach they're kids a lesson. :)

Now if they are texan, and they live in my city, it's going to be one hell of a time at my school on Monday.

Just yeehaw, and props to the dad. :)

North Carolina, actually.

 

[I like Serena]

Are you kidding? Seems to me like the vast majority of this thread thinks the father is a terrible person, and should be shot himself. Okay, not quite THAT bad, but seems like everyone in this thread thinks the father is a terrible person.

Actually I was kind of surprised to see so many strong but differing opinions, so just for fun I made a count.
Losely counting I found 12 people in favor of the dad, 12 people against the actions of the dad, and 9 people that did not gave a clear enough opinion.

That's... fifty-fifty!

 

[Char. Limit]

Actually I was kind of surprised to see so many strong but differing opinions, so just for fun I made a count.
Losely counting I found 12 people in favor of the dad, 12 people against the actions of the dad, and 9 people that did not gave a clear enough opinion.

That's... fifty-fifty!

That might be why both Micromass (against the actions of the dad) and myself (in favor of the actions of the dad) felt outnumbered then.

 

[Pythagorean]

Father demonstrated lack of emotional inhibition because his feelings were hurt. He did so with a gun. Bad role model.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Father demonstrated lack of emotional inhibition because his feelings were hurt. He did so with a gun. Bad role model.

That's what I'm saying. Sounds like a little marble displacement in the right frontal lobe.

 

[thorium1010]

Are you kidding? Seems to me like the vast majority of this thread thinks the father is a terrible person, and should be shot himself. Okay, not quite THAT bad, but seems like everyone in this thread thinks the father is a terrible person.

Nobody is perfect, everyone deals with their problem in their own way. In this case the father showed serious lack of maturity and insight of his actions. His daughter was irresponsible, but that does not mean, one stoop to her level and get revenge (seems childish). He had warned her no doubt about the consequence of her actions, he could always taken away the laptop, but in this case he acted too immaturely.