Find acceleration of a Block within a simply pulley system.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a pulley system with two blocks of different masses. The original poster describes the setup, including the masses of the blocks and the pulley, and seeks to find the acceleration of block B. The problem is situated within the context of classical mechanics, specifically focusing on dynamics and rotational motion.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between torque, mass, and acceleration, with some attempting to derive equations based on the forces acting on the blocks and the pulley.
  • Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about tension forces and the need for free body diagrams to clarify the relationships between the variables.
  • One participant suggests using energy conservation principles as an alternative approach to find the acceleration of block B.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of drawing free body diagrams and the importance of considering all forces acting on the system. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, as multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of friction in the pulley axle and the massless nature of the cords, which are important assumptions in the problem setup. There is also mention of the need for clarity in defining the tension forces in the context of the system's acceleration.

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Homework Statement



The figure shows two blocks suspended by a cord over a pulley. The mass of black B is twice the mass of black A, m_b = 2m_a = 2m. The mass of the pulley is equal to the mass of black A, m_p = m_a = m, the radius of the pulley is R. The blocks are let free to move and the cord moves on the pulley without slipping or stretching. There is no friction in the pulley axle, and the cords are massless. The rotational inertia of the pulley is \frac{m_pR^2}{2} about a perpendicular axis through the center. Find the magnitude of acceleration of the block B. Express your results in the simplest possible form in terms of any or all the following: m, g, R, and universal physical or mathematical constants.

Homework Equations



F_G = m * g (force of gravity equals mass times gravitational acceleration)
\tau_net = I * \alpha (torque equals moment of inertia times angular acceleration)

The Attempt at a Solution



\tau_{net} = I * \alpha = \frac{m * R^2}{2} * \alpha = \frac{m * R^3}{2} * a

furthermore,

\tau_{net} = F_{G on B} * R + F_{G on A} * R = 2 * m * g * R - m * g * R = m * g * R

so,

m * g * R = \frac{m * R^3}{2} * a

which leads to the answer:

a = \frac{2 * g}{R^2} m/s^2

Is this correct? Is there an easier way?
 
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bump... picture of problem lol
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cocoon said:

Homework Statement



The figure shows two blocks suspended by a cord over a pulley. The mass of black B is twice the mass of black A, m_b = 2m_a = 2m. The mass of the pulley is equal to the mass of black A, m_p = m_a = m, the radius of the pulley is R. The blocks are let free to move and the cord moves on the pulley without slipping or stretching. There is no friction in the pulley axle, and the cords are massless. The rotational inertia of the pulley is \frac{m_pR^2}{2} about a perpendicular axis through the center. Find the magnitude of acceleration of the block B. Express your results in the simplest possible form in terms of any or all the following: m, g, R, and universal physical or mathematical constants.

Homework Equations



F_G = m * g (force of gravity equals mass times gravitational acceleration)
\tau_net = I * \alpha (torque equals moment of inertia times angular acceleration)

The Attempt at a Solution



\tau_{net} = I * \alpha = \frac{m * R^2}{2} * \alpha = \frac{m * R^3}{2} * a
oops, slight error in your equation there a = \alpha R, so \tau = MRa/2
furthermore,

\tau_{net} = F_{G on B} * R + F_{G on A} * R = 2 * m * g * R - m * g * R = m * g * R
no, that's not right, you've assumed the respective tension forces are equal to the respective weights, but the system is accelerating, so the tensions cannot equal the weights
Is this correct? Is there an easier way?
No, this is incorrect, you need to write 3 equations with 3 unknowns, T_A, T_B, and a, so draw Free Body diagrams (FBD's ) of each block and the pulley to solve for them... separte FBD's and application of Newton's laws to each are essential in these type problems. Trying to take shortcuts often results in incorerct methods and solutions.
 
this accn.. u solved is for t he pulley not for the block B
so use the principle of energy conversion to solve the problem then it will give the acceleration for block B..
 

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