Find the electric field on the surface of a sphere using Coulomb's law

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field on the surface of a charged hollow metal sphere using Coulomb's law, aiming to confirm a previously obtained result of 5625 V/m found via Gauss' law. The charge distribution is defined, and the vector relationships for the observation point and source point are established using spherical coordinates. The integral formulation for Coulomb's law is presented, but the user encounters difficulties in evaluating the integral due to confusion over the expression for the magnitude of the vector from the source to the observation point. Corrections are made to the formula, and suggestions are provided to simplify the integration process using trigonometric identities. The conversation highlights the challenges of integrating in spherical coordinates while emphasizing the expected symmetry of the problem.
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Homework Statement
A charged hollow metal sphere of negligible thickness, with outer radius 0.04m has its center positioned at the origin (0,0,0) of a Cartesian coordinate system. The sphere is loaded with a charge of 1 nC. It is surrounded by free space.

Calculate the electric field (magnitude and direction) at the point (0, 0, 0.04) precisely outside the surface of the sphere.
Relevant Equations
Coulombs law: E = ## \frac {1} {4πε}## ##\int## ##\frac {\rho R_{SO}} {R^3_{SO}} \, dv##
##R_{SO}## is a vector pointing from the source point to the observation point. ##R_{SO} = R_O - R_S ##

##\epsilon = 8.85 * 10^-12##
Note that the solution is 5625 V/m in z direction which is found easier using Gauss' law, but I want to find the same result using Coulombs law for confirmation.

Lets give the radius 0.04 the variable a = 0.04m.
##\rho## is the charge distribution distributed evenly on the surface of the sphere, which is equal to Q/Area = ##\frac {1*10^{-9}} {4 \pi a^2}## = ##4.97*10^{-8}##

We find ##R_{SO} = R_O - R_S## = ##(0, 0, a) - (asin \theta cos\phi, asin \theta sin \phi, acos \theta) = (-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta)##

Note that ##R_S## is just the vector pointing from origo to a point on the sphere, so it is given by the spherical coordinates above.

Now ##R^3_{SO}## = magnitude of ##R_{SO}## cubed ##= \sqrt{a^2sin^2 \theta cos^2 \phi + a^2 sin^2 \theta sin^2 \phi + a^2 + a^2 cos^2 \theta}^3## = ##\sqrt{a^2 + a^2}^3 = 0.00181## by use of the trigonometric identity ##sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1##

The Jacobian for spherical coordinates is ##a^2 sin \theta##

Now I put everything into Coulombs law and E = ##\frac {1} {4πε}## ##\int## ##\frac {\rho R_{SO}} {R^3_{SO}}## ##\, dv## = ##\frac {\rho} {4 \pi \epsilon}## ##\int_0^{2\pi}## ##\int_0^\pi## ##\frac {(-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta)} {0.000181}## ##0.04^2 sin \theta \, d \theta d \phi ## = $$\frac {\rho 0.04^2} {4 \pi \epsilon 0.000181} \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^\pi (-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta) sin \theta \, d \theta d \phi =$$

$$ 3950 \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^\pi (-asin^2 \theta cos \phi, -asin^2 \theta sin \phi, a sin \theta - acos \theta sin \theta) \, d \theta d \phi $$

However I get stuck at this step, can someone help me solve this or help anyhow i'd appreciate.
 
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zelscore said:
Homework Statement:: A charged hollow metal sphere of negligible thickness, with outer radius 0.04m has its center positioned at the origin (0,0,0) of a Cartesian coordinate system. The sphere is loaded with a charge of 1 nC. It is surrounded by free space.

Calculate the electric field (magnitude and direction) at the point (0, 0, 0.04) precisely outside the surface of the sphere.
Homework Equations:: Coulombs law: E = ## \frac {1} {4πε}## ##\int## ##\frac {\rho R_{SO}} {R^3_{SO}} \, dv##
##R_{SO}## is a vector pointing from the source point to the observation point. ##R_{SO} = R_O - R_S ##

##\epsilon = 8.85 * 10^-12##

Note that the solution is 5625 V/m in z direction which is found easier using Gauss' law, but I want to find the same result using Coulombs law for confirmation.

Lets give the radius 0.04 the variable a = 0.04m.
##\rho## is the charge distribution distributed evenly on the surface of the sphere, which is equal to Q/Area = ##\frac {1*10^{-9}} {4 \pi a^2}## = ##4.97*10^{-8}##

We find ##R_{SO} = R_O - R_S## = ##(0, 0, a) - (asin \theta cos\phi, asin \theta sin \phi, acos \theta) = (-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta)##

Note that ##R_S## is just the vector pointing from origo to a point on the sphere, so it is given by the spherical coordinates above.

Now ##R^3_{SO}## = magnitude of ##R_{SO}## cubed ##= \sqrt{a^2sin^2 \theta cos^2 \phi + a^2 sin^2 \theta sin^2 \phi + a^2 + a^2 cos^2 \theta}^3## = ##\sqrt{a^2 + a^2}^3 = 0.00181## by use of the trigonometric identity ##sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1##

The Jacobian for spherical coordinates is ##a^2 sin \theta##

Now I put everything into Coulombs law and E = ##\frac {1} {4πε}## ##\int## ##\frac {\rho R_{SO}} {R^3_{SO}}## ##\, dv## = ##\frac {\rho} {4 \pi \epsilon}## ##\int_0^{2\pi}## ##\int_0^\pi## ##\frac {(-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta)} {0.000181}## ##0.04^2 sin \theta \, d \theta d \phi ## = $$\frac {\rho 0.04^2} {4 \pi \epsilon 0.000181} \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^\pi (-asin \theta cos \phi, -asin \theta sin \phi, a - acos \theta) sin \theta \, d \theta d \phi =$$

$$ 3950 \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^\pi (-asin^2 \theta cos \phi, -asin^2 \theta sin \phi, a sin \theta - acos \theta sin \theta) \, d \theta d \phi $$

However I get stuck at this step, can someone help me solve this or help anyhow i'd appreciate.

What precisely is stopping you from integrating there?
 
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Now ##R^3_{SO}## = magnitude of ##R_{SO}## cubed ##= \sqrt{a^2sin^2 \theta cos^2 \phi + a^2 sin^2 \theta sin^2 \phi + a^2 + a^2 cos^2 \theta}^3##

##a^2 + a^2 \cos^2 \theta## is wrong, it should be the square of ##a-a\cos(\theta)##.
 
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##a^2 + a^2 \cos^2 \theta## is wrong, it should be the square of ##a-a\cos(\theta)##.
Okay I corrected this and get ##R^3_{SO}## to equal ##\sqrt {a^2 (2-2cos \theta)}^3 ## instead of 0.000181. However here is a picture showing an integral calculator online failing to solve this integral. Any ideas? This problem is really confusing me because considering I am working with a sphere, there should be some geometric symmetry which makes for "good looking" numbers as a result, not an unsolvable integral...
 
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PeroK said:
What precisely is stopping you from integrating there?
Okay I actually made an error like the comment by another user pinpointed, but I corrected this and get ##R^3_{SO}## to equal ##\sqrt {a^2 (2-2cos \theta)}^3 ## instead of 0.000181. However here is a picture showing an integral calculator online failing to solve this integral. Any ideas? This problem is really confusing me because considering I am working with a sphere, there should be some geometric symmetry which makes for "good looking" numbers as a result, not an unsolvable integral...
 
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zelscore said:
Any ideas? This problem is really confusing me because considering I am working with a sphere, there should be some geometric symmetry which makes for "good looking" numbers as a result, not an unsolvable integral...

That integral is not hard to do. It's only sines and cosines.
 
zelscore said:
Okay I corrected this and get ##R^3_{SO}## to equal ##\sqrt {a^2 (2-2cos \theta)}^3 ## instead of 0.000181. However here is a picture showing an integral calculator online failing to solve this integral.
Use the identity 1-cos´(theta)=0.5(sin^2(theta/2). Write the integral separately for the x,y,z components of the electric field.
 
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