Fluid Dynamics: Static Thrust on a Conv-Div Nozzle

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The discussion revolves around calculating static thrust from a convergent-divergent nozzle, focusing on the misunderstanding of applying the control volume approach. The initial equation presented for net thrust, which considers inlet and outlet pressures, is deemed insufficient without accounting for fluid acceleration and forces acting on the nozzle walls. Participants clarify that thrust results from fluid acceleration, adhering to Newton's third law, and emphasize the importance of including all forces in the momentum conservation equation. The conversation highlights the need for a more comprehensive understanding of pressure distribution and forces within the nozzle system. Ultimately, the thrust component is essential for accurately determining the net thrust generated by the nozzle.
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Hi all, I am tasked with finding the static thrust generated by this convergent-divergent nozzle. The stagnation pressure is known the inlet.

Now, personally, I would've thought drawn a control volume around the entire nozzle. And then said:

Net_Thurst = Pressure_inlet *A_inlet -Pressure_outlet*A_outlet.

Now, this does not yield the correct answer. I am not asking for the answer, rather, what is wrong with my understanding of the problem?

Thanks for the help!
 
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Kushwoho44 said:
Net_Thurst = Pressure_inlet *A_inlet -Pressure_outlet*A_outlet.

p0c > pc & Ain > Aout → that would mean the net thrust would push the rocket backwards. You have to take into account the forces in the jacket and the acceleration of the fluid.

Using the control volume like suggested in the hint makes it easier to solve the problem (think about the pressure distribution on the surface of the control volume).
 
Okay, that makes sense.

I have, to this far, thought of the pressure as driving the fluid flow.

Thus, I would've thought that the conservation of momentum equation applies:

p1A + p1A*V1^2 = p2A + p2A*V2^2

Though, it seems that we need to introduce a 'thrust' component. I don't really understand the physics of this. Where does the thrust component evolve from? And doesn't it violate the conservation of momentum equation.
 
Kushwoho44 said:
Okay, that makes sense.

I have, to this far, thought of the pressure as driving the fluid flow.

Thus, I would've thought that the conservation of momentum equation applies:

p1A + p1A*V1^2 = p2A + p2A*V2^2

Though, it seems that we need to introduce a 'thrust' component. I don't really understand the physics of this. Where does the thrust component evolve from? And doesn't it violate the conservation of momentum equation.

Sorry, a misunderstanding - maybe a language problem - I thought with thrust you ment the force pushing the rocket forwards.

If you make a FBD of the fluid in the nozzle you also have borders at the non-horizontal walls of the nozzle and the "diffusor", which you need for the sum of the forces in horizontal direction - so your equation is not complete.

The thrust will be generated by the acceleration of the fluid, i.e. a force affected it. The same force, but in the opposite direction accelerates the rocket (Newton's 3rd law). So I think that is what you ment with the equation in your first post, which I obviously misread.
 

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