Fluid flow equations for a frisbee

AI Thread Summary
The governing fluid flow equations for a frisbee in flight are primarily the Navier-Stokes equations, which can be complex to solve directly. Simplifications may involve using turbulence models, but these may not accurately predict flow re-attachment on the frisbee's underside. Historical solutions for related problems, such as the rotating infinite disc, can provide useful insights and starting points for modeling. However, the immediate flow separation at the frisbee's edge complicates accurate predictions. Ultimately, thorough computational resources are necessary for meaningful simulations.
MdAsher
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hi All,
I'm hoping to work on deriving the governing fluid flow equations for a frisbee in flight theoretically and then to test it on a wind tunnel, and compare results. If u could please help on how do i apply/derive the necessary equations.
Respectful Regards
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
The governing equations are the Navier-Stokes equations. I'm not really sure there are any further simplifications you can make other than introducing a turbulence model instead of trying to solve the equations directly.
 
The boundary layer problem of an infinite rotating and translating disc was solved by Rott and Lewellen in 1967:
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/pof1/10/9/10.1063/1.1762380

I guess that's as close as you can get to the real thing without doing some serious computing. The problem of the rotating infinite disc (without translation) was solved by von Karman and there is a section on it in the book of Schlichting (probably in most books on boundary layers, it is also in White - Viscous Fluid Flow). This might be a good starting point if you are really looking for a reduced model or analytic solutions and you don't want to solve the Navier Stokes equations.

Some remarks: the flow over the bottom of the frisbee will separate immediately at the edge, so these solutions might still be very far from your measurements. Solving Navier Stokes directly will be too time consuming, and a turbulence model will probably not be able to predict the flow re-attachement on the bottom (and it will still be time consuming, maybe a week on a 16 cores machine for a single simulation using a k-omega model).
 
  • Like
Likes MdAsher
Posted June 2024 - 15 years after starting this class. I have learned a whole lot. To get to the short course on making your stock car, late model, hobby stock E-mod handle, look at the index below. Read all posts on Roll Center, Jacking effect and Why does car drive straight to the wall when I gas it? Also read You really have two race cars. This will cover 90% of problems you have. Simply put, the car pushes going in and is loose coming out. You do not have enuff downforce on the right...
I'm trying to decide what size and type of galvanized steel I need for 2 cantilever extensions. The cantilever is 5 ft. The space between the two cantilever arms is a 17 ft Gap the center 7 ft of the 17 ft Gap we'll need to Bear approximately 17,000 lb spread evenly from the front of the cantilever to the back of the cantilever over 5 ft. I will put support beams across these cantilever arms to support the load evenly
Thread 'What's the most likely cause for this carbon seal crack?'
We have a molded carbon graphite seal that is used in an inline axial piston, variable displacement hydraulic pump. One of our customers reported that, when using the “A” parts in the past, they only needed to replace them due to normal wear. However, after switching to our parts, the replacement cycle seems to be much shorter due to “broken” or “cracked” failures. This issue was identified after hydraulic fluid leakage was observed. According to their records, the same problem has occurred...
Back
Top