Force, torque with a motor + a wheel + a belt

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a motor, wheel, and belt system, focusing on the forces and torques involved. Participants confirm the correctness of the force diagrams and the relationship between the motor's rotational speed and the wheel's speed. It is established that the motor's force output must be greater than the opposing force on the belt for acceleration to occur. The conversation also touches on the implications of the belt's mass on force balance, concluding that if the belt has mass, the force exerted by the motor must exceed the opposing force. Overall, the analysis emphasizes the importance of understanding force relationships in mechanical systems.
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Homework Statement


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A motor accelerates more and more a wheel without friction. It is supposed the belt gives forces F1 and F2 at only one point.

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I would like to know if I drawn all forces:

http://imageshack.com/a/img674/2809/o4uI79.png 1) Is it correct ?

2) The motor is turning clockwise at ω, so the wheel is turning at ωR1/R2 ?

3) The motor needs to give F1R1ωt, so the wheel receives F2R2ωR1/R2=FR1ωt because |F1|=|F2|, correct ?

4) The sum of forces on the belt is F3-F4, if the motor accelerates this could say the belt is accelerating too, then F3 must be higher than F4, so F1 must be higher than F2 (the absolute value not the vector) ? I'm not sure, if F2 is lower the torque on the wheel is lower too, so the last calculation is false ?
 
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Cri85 said:
1) Is it correct ?
Looks pretty good.
Cri85 said:
2) The motor is turning clockwise at ω, so the wheel is turning at ωR1/R2 ?
Correct.
Cri85 said:
3) The motor needs to give F1R1ωt, so the wheel receives F2R2ωR1/R2=FR1ωt because |F1|=|F2|, correct ?
Appears to be.
Cri85 said:
then F3 must be higher than F4,
Are you absolutely certain?
 
The belt is accelerating, like F=ma, for me there is a little difference, the motor gives an energy for accelerate the belt and the disk, a little part must go to the belt and the main part for the disk, no ?
 
Have you been given masses and moments of inertia? Ordinarily (not absolutely guaranteed) for problems like this, you're given a "massless" belt.
 
Yes, it's for that, if the mass of the belt is 0, |F3|=|F4| but if the belt has a mass |F3|>|F4|, correct ?
 
Yes.
 
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