Force, torque with a motor + a wheel + a belt

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a motor, a wheel, and a belt system, focusing on the forces and torques at play as the motor accelerates the wheel without friction. Participants are examining the relationships between the forces exerted by the motor and the resulting motion of the wheel and belt.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the correctness of force diagrams and the relationships between the forces acting on the belt and wheel. Questions are raised about the implications of the motor's torque and the acceleration of the belt in relation to the forces F1 and F2.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes confirmations of certain assumptions, such as the direction of rotation and the relationship between forces. However, there are ongoing questions regarding the implications of the belt's mass on the forces, with some participants seeking clarification on whether the belt's mass affects the balance of forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the scenario where the belt may be massless versus having mass, which influences the dynamics of the system. There is an acknowledgment that typical problems may assume a massless belt, but the implications of a non-zero mass are being explored.

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Homework Statement


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A motor accelerates more and more a wheel without friction. It is supposed the belt gives forces F1 and F2 at only one point.

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I would like to know if I drawn all forces:

http://imageshack.com/a/img674/2809/o4uI79.png 1) Is it correct ?

2) The motor is turning clockwise at ω, so the wheel is turning at ωR1/R2 ?

3) The motor needs to give F1R1ωt, so the wheel receives F2R2ωR1/R2=FR1ωt because |F1|=|F2|, correct ?

4) The sum of forces on the belt is F3-F4, if the motor accelerates this could say the belt is accelerating too, then F3 must be higher than F4, so F1 must be higher than F2 (the absolute value not the vector) ? I'm not sure, if F2 is lower the torque on the wheel is lower too, so the last calculation is false ?
 
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Cri85 said:
1) Is it correct ?
Looks pretty good.
Cri85 said:
2) The motor is turning clockwise at ω, so the wheel is turning at ωR1/R2 ?
Correct.
Cri85 said:
3) The motor needs to give F1R1ωt, so the wheel receives F2R2ωR1/R2=FR1ωt because |F1|=|F2|, correct ?
Appears to be.
Cri85 said:
then F3 must be higher than F4,
Are you absolutely certain?
 
The belt is accelerating, like F=ma, for me there is a little difference, the motor gives an energy for accelerate the belt and the disk, a little part must go to the belt and the main part for the disk, no ?
 
Have you been given masses and moments of inertia? Ordinarily (not absolutely guaranteed) for problems like this, you're given a "massless" belt.
 
Yes, it's for that, if the mass of the belt is 0, |F3|=|F4| but if the belt has a mass |F3|>|F4|, correct ?
 
Yes.
 
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ok, thanks :)
 

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