Geometry: prove that point M is touched by 4 circles

In summary, the conversation discusses the equation for a circle touching three points and the system of equations for four circles. The design of the proof is shown, but the speaker has not tried it yet due to a potentially difficult matrix calculation. The conversation also mentions a link for additional information. The final part of the conversation discusses parameters and equations for four specific circles. The speaker provides equations for the circles and their determinants, and concludes with a note about making careless mistakes.
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Homework Statement
This is the problem: Given are two parallelograms ABCD and AECF with common diagonal
diagonal AC, where E and F lie inside the parallelogram ABCD.
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The circumcircles of the triangles AEB, BFC, CED and DFA have a point
in common.
I've already given an answer in the pdf, but how can I prove that the point M is also on the remaining two circles? Here is another sketch I drew. Can you please finish the pdf paper ?
Relevant Equations
relevant equations can be found in the pdf solution from me
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Interesting exercise. I take Cartesian coordinates to look at as attached figure.
We can write the equation of circle touching three points as
[tex]x^2+y^2+lx+my+n=0[/tex]
Giving three (x,y)s of touching points, we get a set (l,m,n) . We get four (l,m,n) sets for the four circles. The system of four equations of the circles would show one degenerate solution.
That's the design of the proof, though I have not tired yet due to an expected terrible matrix calculation. The symmetry should make it easy.
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Contd. from my previous post
anuttarasammyak said:
The system of four equations of the circles would show one degenerate solution.
The equation of line which connects two commom points of the cirlces i and j, is
[tex](l_i-l_j)x+(m_i-m_j)y+n_i-n_j=0[/tex]
The system of such six lines meet at a point (x,y) are recuced to three equations.
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l_1-l_2 & m_1-m_2 & n_1-n_2 \\
l_2-l_3 & m_2-m_3 & n_2-n_3 \\
l_3-l_4 & m_3-m_4 & n_3-n_4 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
x \\
y \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
=
\begin{pmatrix}
0 \\
0 \\
0 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
This 3X3 matrix in LHS shoud have determinant zero so that there is a solution.
[tex]
\begin{vmatrix}
l_1-l_2 & m_1-m_2 & n_1-n_2 \\
l_2-l_3 & m_2-m_3 & n_2-n_3 \\
l_3-l_4 & m_3-m_4 & n_3-n_4 \\
\end{vmatrix}
=\sum_{i,j,k,q=1}^4 P(ijkq)l_i m_j n_k
[/tex]
where P(ijkq)=0 when any of them equals.
P(ijkq)=1 when ijkq is even pertumation of 1234.
P(ijkq)=-1 when ijkq is odd permutation of 1234.

We expect to get coordinates of M as
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l_1-l_4 & m_1-m_4 & n_1-n_4 \\
l_2-l_4 & m_2-m_4 & n_2-n_4 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
x \\
y \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
=
\begin{pmatrix}
0 \\
0 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
or
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
x \\
y \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{(l_1-l_4 )(m_2-m_4 )-(l_2-l_4 )(m_1-m_4 )}
\begin{pmatrix}
m_2-m_4 & m_4-m_1 \\
l_4-l_2 & l_1-l_4 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
n_1-n_4 \\
n_2-n_4 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
 
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Supplement to my post #2

Say three points ##(a_1,a_2),(b_1,b_2),(c_1,c_2)## is on the circle which is caratterized by (l,m, n)
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
a_1& a_2 & 1 \\
b_1& b_2 & 1 \\
c_1& c_2 & 1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=-
\begin{pmatrix}
a_1^2+a_2^2 \\
b_1^2+b_2^2 \\
c_1^2+c_2^2 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
Solving it for l,m,n
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
b_2-c_2 & c_2-a_2 & a_2-b_2  \\
c_1-b_1 & a_1-c_1 & b_1-a_1 \\
b_1c_2-b_2c_1  & c_1a_2-c_2a_1 & a_1b_2-a_2b_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
a_1^2+a_2^2 \\
b_1^2+b_2^2 \\
c_1^2+c_2^2 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
where
[tex]det=a_1b_2-a_2b_1+b_1c_2-b_2c_1+c_1a_2-c_2a_1[/tex]

Parameters in this exercise are
[tex]
\begin{matrix}
& CircleDAF & CircleDCE & CircleBCF & CircleBAE \\
a_1 & d_1 & d_1 & -d_1 & -d_1 \\
a_2 & d_2 & d_2 & -d_2 & -d_2 \\
b_1 & f_1 & -f_1 & f_1 & -f_1 \\
b_2 & f_2 & -f_2 & f_2 & -f_2 \\c_1 & -1 & 1 & 1 & -1 \\
c_2 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
det & -d_2+f_2+d_1f_2-d_2f_1 & d_2+f_2-d_1f_2+d_2f_1 & -d_2-f_2-d_1f_2+d_2f_1 & d_2-f_2+d_1f_2-d_2f_1
\end{matrix}[/tex]
As for circle DAF
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
f_2 & -d_2 & d_2-f_2 \\
-1-f_1 & d_1+1 & -d_1+f_1 \\
f_2& -d_2 & d_1f_2-d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
d_1^2+d_2^2 \\
f_1^2+f_2^2 \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
[tex]
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
f_2 |d|^2 -d_2 |f|^2 +d_2-f_2 \\
(-1-f_1 )|d|^2+ (d_1+1 )|f|^2 -d_1+f_1 \\
f_2|d|^2 -d_2|f|^2+d_1f_2-d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
where
[tex]|d|^2=d_1^2+d_2^2[/tex]
[tex]|f|^2=f_1^2+f_2^2[/tex]
[tex]det=-d_2+f_2+d_1f_2-d_2f_1[/tex]

As for circle DCE
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
-f_2 & -d_2 & d_2+f_2 \\
1+f_1 & d_1-1 & -d_1-f_1\\
f_2 & d_2 & -d_1f_2+d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
d_1^2+d_2^2 \\
f_1^2+f_2^2 \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
-f_2 |d|^2 -d_2 |f|^2+ d_2+f_2 \\
(1+f_1) |d|^2+ (d_1-1 )|f|^2 -d_1-f_1\\
f_2 |d|^2+ d_2|f|^2 -d_1f_2+d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
where
[tex]det=d_2+f_2-d_1f_2+d_2f_1[/tex]

As for circle BCF
[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
f_2 & d_2& -d_2-f_2\\
1-f_1 & -1-d_1 & d_1+f_1\\
-f_2 & -d_2 & -d_1f_2+d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
d_1^2+d_2^2 \\
f_1^2+f_2^2 \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
[tex]
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
f_2 |d|^2+ d_2|f|^2 -d_2-f_2\\
(1-f_1)|d|^2 +( -1-d_1) |f|^2+ d_1+f_1\\
-f_2 |d|^2 -d_2 |f|^2 -d_1f_2+d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
where
[tex]det=-d_2-f_2-d_1f_2+d_2f_1[/tex]
for circle BAE

[tex]
\begin{pmatrix}
l \\
m \\
n \\
\end{pmatrix}
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
-f_2 & d_2 & -d_2+f_2 \\
-1+f_1 & -d_1+1 & d_1-f_1 \\
-f_2 & d_2 & d_1f_2-d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
d_1^2+d_2^2 \\
f_1^2+f_2^2 \\
1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
[tex]
=\frac{-1}{det}
\begin{pmatrix}
-f_2 |d|^2+ d_2 |f|^2 -d_2+f_2 \\
(-1+f_1)|d|^2+ (-d_1+1 )|f|^2+ d_1-f_1 \\
-f_2 |d|^2+ d_2 |f|^2+ d_1f_2-d_2f_1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
[/tex]
where
[tex]det=d_2-f_2+d_1f_2-d_2f_1[/tex]
I hope I have not made careless mistake.
 
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1. How do you prove that a point is touched by 4 circles in geometry?

To prove that a point is touched by 4 circles in geometry, you can use the theorem that states that if a point lies on the perpendicular bisector of a chord, then it is equidistant from the endpoints of the chord. Therefore, if a point is equidistant from the endpoints of 4 different chords, it must be touched by 4 circles.

2. What is the significance of proving that a point is touched by 4 circles in geometry?

Proving that a point is touched by 4 circles in geometry can help in solving various problems and constructions, such as finding the center of a circle or constructing tangents to circles. It also helps in understanding the properties and relationships between circles and points.

3. Can a point be touched by more than 4 circles?

Yes, a point can be touched by more than 4 circles. In fact, if a point is equidistant from the endpoints of n different chords, it will be touched by n circles. This is because the perpendicular bisector of a chord can intersect the circle at two points, and the point can be equidistant from both of these points on each chord.

4. What are the different methods for proving that a point is touched by 4 circles?

There are several methods for proving that a point is touched by 4 circles in geometry. Some common methods include using the theorem mentioned in the first question, using the Pythagorean theorem, or using the properties of tangents and secants of circles.

5. Can a point be touched by 4 circles if the circles do not intersect?

No, a point cannot be touched by 4 circles if the circles do not intersect. In order for a point to be touched by a circle, it must lie on the circumference of the circle. Therefore, if 4 circles do not intersect, there is no point that can be touched by all 4 circles at the same time.

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