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The discussion revolves around the heat equation and the derivation of a specific expression involving integrals and sine functions. Participants are exploring the mathematical foundations and properties of the functions involved, particularly in the context of spherical Bessel functions and orthogonality.

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  • The original poster questions the derivation of the expression for the integral involving sine functions and its relation to orthogonality. Some participants suggest that the problem involves expanding a step function in terms of sine functions and using separation of variables.

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I want to solve the heat equation below:
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I don't understand where the expression for ##2/R\cdot\int_0^R q\cdot sin(k_nr)\cdot r \, dr## came from. The r dependent function is calculated as ##sin(k_nr)/r## not ##sin(k_nr)\cdot r##. I don't even know if ##sin(k_nr)/r## are orthogonal for different ##k_n## values. Why is ##q_n = 2/R\cdot\int_0^R q\cdot sin(k_nr)\cdot r \, dr## ?
 
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I think you're expanding a step function ##q(r) = q## for ##r = [0,R]## and ##q(r)=0## for ##r > R## in terms of the ##\sin(k_nr)/r## functions. You're using separation of variables. The functions ##\sin(k_nr)/r## are the spherical Bessels.
 
As is indicated by the \equiv sign, this is a definition of q_n. From the line immediately above, we can infer that <br /> q(r) = \sum_{m=1}^\infty \frac{q_m}{r} \sin(k_mr).<br /> Now multply by r \sin(k_n r) and integrate between 0 and R: <br /> \int_0^R q(r) \sin (k_nr) r\,dr = \sum_{m=1}^\infty q_m \int_0^R \sin(k_mr) \sin(k_nr)\,dr. You should recognise that the integral on the right is zero unless k_n = \frac{n\pi}{R} = \frac{m\pi}{R} = k_m (ie. n = m), in which case it is R/2 as you are integrating \sin^2 (k_n r) = \frac12(1 - \cos (2k_n r)) over a whole number of periods.
 
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pasmith said:
As is indicated by the \equiv sign, this is a definition of q_n. From the line immediately above, we can infer that <br /> q(r) = \sum_{m=1}^\infty \frac{q_m}{r} \sin(k_mr).<br /> Now multply by r \sin(k_n r) and integrate between 0 and R: <br /> \int_0^R q(r) \sin k_nr\,dr = \sum_{m=1}^\infty q_m \int_0^R \sin(k_mr) \sin(k_nr)\,dr. You should recognise that the integral on the right is zero unless k_n = \frac{n\pi}{R} = \frac{m\pi}{R} = k_m (ie. n = m), in which case it is R/2 as you are integrating \sin^2 (k_n r) = \frac12(1 - \cos (2k_n r)) over a whole number of periods.
Thanks!
 
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