How Do Kirchhoff's Laws Apply to a Capacitor in a Circuit?

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The problem involves applying Kirchhoff's laws to a circuit containing a capacitor. The original poster seeks to derive a differential equation that describes the charge on the capacitor when a switch is closed, based on the circuit's configuration and the laws of electrical circuits.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Kirchhoff's laws to derive a specific relationship involving the charge on the capacitor. They express uncertainty about how to combine the equations derived from the mesh laws to reach the desired differential equation. Other participants discuss the independence of the mesh equations and suggest omitting one of the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the mesh equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding which equations to consider, but there is still uncertainty about identifying independent meshes and how to proceed with the derivation.

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The original poster mentions the poor quality of the circuit diagram, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. There is also a sense of frustration regarding the identification of independent meshes in the circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


The problem considers the diagram in the photo that I have attached. Apologies for the poor quality, but sketching it on my computer would have been even worse!

a) Write down Kirchhoff's laws for the circuit and show that when the switch is closed, the charge on the capacitor Q behaves according to:
[tex]\frac{R_2}{R_1+R_2}\epsilon = \frac{Q}{C}+\left(R_3+\frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1+R_2}\right)\frac{dQ}{dt}[/tex]

Homework Equations


The current through the branch with the capacitor, [tex]I_3[/tex], can be described by dQ/dt.

The Attempt at a Solution



First, Kirchhoff's laws.

The node law says that [tex]I_1=I_2+I_3[/tex].

Then the mesh laws, I get three meshes:

[tex]\epsilon=I_1 R_1 + I_2 R_2[/tex]
[tex]\epsilon=I_1 R_1 + I_3 R_3+ \frac{Q}{C}[/tex]
[tex]0=I_3 R_3 + \frac{Q}{C} - I_2 R_2[/tex]

I'm fairly sure those are correct, however, I can't figure out how to combine these to show the differential equation given in the problem statement. I think I must leave out one of the relations obtained from the mesh law, but I have no idea where to start, or how to proceed in any sort of methodical way. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure I can work it out if I just get a nudge in the right direction!
 

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[tex]\epsilon=I_1 R_1 + I_2 R_2[/tex]
[tex]\epsilon=I_1 R_1 + I_3 R_3+ \frac{Q}{C}[/tex]
[tex]0=I_3 R_3 + \frac{Q}{C} - I_2 R_2[/tex]



The circuit contains two independent meshes. Omit the third mesh equation, it is not independent from the previous ones. Use the equation I1=I2+I3 and the first mesh equation to get I1 in terms of I3. Substitute for I1 in the second mesh equation. Use dQ/dt for I3.

ehild
 
So the first independent mesh is the one containing R1 and R3 and the other containing R3 and R2?
 
Wait, no, that's wrong. I'll think on it some more.
 
I can't seem to find out which two meshes are independent. :rolleyes:
 
Any two ones. ehild
 

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