How Does a Copper Pipe Affect a Solenoid's Magnetic Field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the impact of inserting a copper or iron pipe into the center of a solenoid on its magnetic field, particularly in the context of a low-power coilgun. Participants explore how the material and configuration of the pipe influence the magnetic field strength, especially under different current conditions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the effect of a copper pipe on the magnetic field of a solenoid, specifically whether it would strengthen the field.
  • Another participant asserts that the copper pipe will have no effect on a DC solenoid but will significantly attenuate the field in an AC or pulsed solenoid.
  • A follow-up question asks for clarification on why the magnetic field strength would be diminished in the presence of the copper pipe.
  • A participant references Faraday's law to explain that the copper tube acts as an electrical short circuit, inducing a current that opposes changes in magnetic flux, thus diminishing the field.
  • Suggestions are made for amplifying the magnetic field of a pulsed solenoid without increasing input current or changing coil density, including the use of high-frequency ferrite and soft iron wire.
  • One participant proposes that cutting a slit along the copper tube could eliminate the opposing induced current, although they acknowledge potential small higher-order effects may still exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of the copper pipe on the solenoid's magnetic field, particularly distinguishing between DC and AC/pulsed scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods to amplify the magnetic field without altering current or coil density.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the nature of the solenoid (DC vs. AC/pulsed) and the specific configurations of the copper pipe that may affect the outcomes discussed. The implications of cutting a slit in the tube and its effects on induced currents are also noted but not fully explored.

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I wanted to know how the magnetic field of a solenoid would be affected if a copper/iron pipe section was put into its center. In other words, what would the resulting magnetic field be if I simply wrapped a coil around a metal pipe section without removing the pipe afterward?

Will there be a stronger field? I was wondering as I came across a copper pipe with a 1cm diameter and am working on a low-power coilgun.

Thank you.
 
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The copper pipe will have absolutely no effect on a dc solenoid. It will have a very serious attenuating effect on an ac or pulsed solenoid.

Bob S
 
Okay, thanks. Why exactly would the magnetic field strength be diminished so dramatically?

Also, is there a method to amplify the magnetic of a pulsed solenoid without increasing the input current or changing the coil's wrap density?
 
From Faraday's law;

Vtube = -d/dt[∫B·ndA] = -A dB/dt, where A is the cross-sectional area of the tube, and V is the induced voltage around the circumference.

Because the copper tube is an electrical short circuit, there is a very large azimuthal induced current in the copper tube that opposes any change in the magnetic flux inside. (Lenz's Law).

High frequency ferrite will help. Also small-diameter coated soft iron wire, like inside the old style automotive cylindrical ignition coils.

[Added note] If you cut a narrow slit along one side of the copper tube for the entire tube length, this will eliminate the induced azimuthal (Lenz's Law) current which opposes the pulsed magnetic field inside the tube.There could still be small higher-order effects though.

Bob S
 
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