How Does Gas Behavior Differ in Fixed-Volume vs. Piston Containers When Heated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of gas in two different types of containers—a fixed-volume container and a piston container—when equal amounts of heat are added. Participants explore the implications of work done by the gas in the piston container and how this affects temperature changes compared to the fixed-volume container.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when equal heat is added to both containers, the fixed-volume container's temperature increases, while the piston container's gas does work, potentially leading to a lower temperature.
  • Another participant agrees with the assumption that the temperature of the gas in the piston container may be less due to work done, but does not provide a definitive conclusion.
  • There is a reference to the First Law of Thermodynamics, indicating that energy balance is crucial in understanding the relationship between heat added, work done, and changes in internal energy.
  • One participant questions whether a gas can expand and lose temperature as it does work on the piston, and another participant confirms this possibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between work done by the gas and its temperature change. While some agree that the gas in the piston container may have a lower temperature due to work done, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of this behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the assumptions behind the energy balance or the specific conditions under which the gas behaves as described. The discussion also does not clarify how the energy lost during expansion quantitatively affects temperature.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermodynamics, gas behavior, and the implications of work done during gas expansion in different container types.

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There is a container of a fixed volume filled with gas. There is a second container with a piston filled with gas. The containers are filled with the same amount of gas, have the same pressure, have the same volume (the piston is placed so the gases of each container occupy the same volume), and are at the same temperature.
I add equal amounts of heat to each container. The fixed-volume container increases in temperature; the piston of the second container is pushed out and the gas also increases in temperature.
Since the gas in the piston-container does work, does that mean its temperature is less than that of the constant-volume container? I would assume so because the added heat is transferred away as work.
Also, how does the relationship between V and T take into account the energy lost, and therefore decrease in temperature, when an expanding gas does work?
 
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There is a container of a fixed volume filled with gas. There is a second container with a piston filled with gas. The containers are filled with the same amount of gas, have the same pressure, have the same volume (the piston is placed so the gases of each container occupy the same volume), and are at the same temperature.
I add equal amounts of heat to each container. The fixed-volume container increases in temperature; the piston of the second container is pushed out and the gas also increases in temperature.
Since the gas in the piston-container does work, does that mean its temperature is less than that of the constant-volume container? I would assume so because the added heat is transferred away as work.
Yes.
Also, how does the relationship between V and T take into account the energy lost, and therefore decrease in temperature, when an expanding gas does work?
The relationship between V and T doesn't focus on the energy lost. The energy lost is accounted for by the First Law of Thermodynamics, which is essentially an energy balance:

ΔU = Q - W

where Q is the amount of heat absorbed from the surroundings, W is the amount of work done on the surroundings, and U is the internal energy of the gas. For an ideal gas, the internal energy is a monotonically increasing function of temperature.

Chet
 
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Can a gas expand and lose temperature (because it did work on a piston while expanding)?
 
uestions said:
Can a gas expand and lose temperature (because it did work on a piston while expanding)?
Yes.
 
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