I still have trouble with Dummy Variables

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The discussion revolves around the use of dummy variables in the context of a physics problem involving a closed chamber filled with a fuel and oxidizer. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of dummy variables in two equations related to the mass fraction of burned gas and the average temperature of the burned gas.

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  • Participants explore the role of the dummy variable x' in the context of integration and its implications for the function T_b(x', x). Questions arise about the meaning of x' outside of the integration context and its relationship to the physical interpretation of the function.

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Some participants provide insights into the treatment of x as a constant during integration, while others express uncertainty about the nature of x' in the function T_b. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the definitions and roles of the variables involved, without reaching a definitive consensus.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of dummy variables in the context of the equations presented, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the function T_b and its dependence on the variables involved.

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I am reading a paper and I am coming across some usage of a dummy variable and it is becoming increasingly clear that I never really understood how to use these things. I will demonstrate once usage that I do understand and one that I do not. Let me also introduce the basic physics behind the equation since it might be of some help.

We have a closed chamber in the form of a sphere. It is filled with a fuel and oxidizer. A spark ignites the gaseous mixture at the exact center of the chamber. We assume that the resultant flame propagates spherically outwards until it hits the wall of the chamber. We also assume that the flame is is of negligible thickness. If we "freeze" the flame at some instant in time, it will divide the chamber into 2 parts: An "inner" sphere of burned gas and an "outer" sphere of unburned gas.

We will denote x to be the mass fraction of burned gas: x=mb/M, where M is the total mass M = mb + mu. Also, v is called the specific volume of the burned or unburned gas. It is defined as the volume per unit mass (inverse of density).

Here is the first equation that I DO understand (I think):

If we denote V as the total volume of gas (which is conserved) we have

[itex]V/M = \int_0^xv_b\,dx' +\int_x^1v_u\,dx' \qquad(1)[/tex]<br /> <br /> So in the above equation (1), x' is the dummy variable. For some value of x we integrate the first term over x' from 0 to x and the second term over x' from x to 1. I get it.<br /> <br /> Here is the second equation I am a little lost on:<br /> <br /> The average temperature of the burned gas is given as<br /> <br /> [tex]\bar{T}_b = \frac{1}{x}\int_0^xT_b(x',x)\,dx' \qquad(2)[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now in (2), I have conviced myself that this is similar to (1) in that we "fix" some value of x, but then I do not understand why there is an x' inside the argument of the function? It makes sense in the dx' since we are integrating over in interval and at each infinitesimal sub-interval we are "substituting in" for dx'. But in T<sub>b</sub>(x', x) it looks like it takes x' as an argument.<br /> <br /> <br /> ~Any comments or thoughts on this?[/itex]
 
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Tb has two inputs, x and x'. One is being integrated over, one is not. When calculating the integral x will just be treated as a constant. For example, if Tb=[tex]x'e^{x}[/tex]

Then we have [tex]\int_0^x x'e^{x} dx' = e^{x} \int_0^x x'dx'[/tex] because x is treated as a constant inside the integral. In general of course it won't be so easy to get rid of the x's in the integral
 
Tb has two inputs, x and x'. One is being integrated over, one is not. When calculating the integral x will just be treated as a constant. For example, if Tb=[tex]x'e^{x}[/tex]

Then we have [tex]\int_0^x x'e^{x} dx' = e^{x} \int_0^x x'dx'[/tex] because x is treated as a constant inside the integral. In general of course it won't be so easy to get rid of the x's in the integral
 
Office_Shredder said:
Tb has two inputs, x and x'. One is being integrated over, one is not. When calculating the integral x will just be treated as a constant. For example, if Tb=[tex]x'e^{x}[/tex]

Then we have [tex]\int_0^x x'e^{x} dx' = e^{x} \int_0^x x'dx'[/tex] because x is treated as a constant inside the integral. In general of course it won't be so easy to get rid of the x's in the integral

I think that makes sense to me. I guess it was the fact that the actual function T(x',x) was not given. Though now that I think of it, if we put integration aside and speak only of the function Tb=[itex]x'e^{x}[/itex], as you stated, then what does the 'dummy' variable x' mean without the context of an integration? I am trying to keep in mind the physical meaning of the function. Tb is the temperature of the burned gas when some fraction x of the gas has burned. But what does the x' represent now? Perhaps it is meaningless without an integration? That is, perhaps the function Tb itself has an integral? Perhaps something to the effect of Tb(x',x) = [itex]\int_{x_o}^x f(x')dx'[/itex].

Just an idea. Thoughts?
 
Your proposed function doesn't actually depend on x' as a function, so it's unlikely. x' is a dummy variable in the integral, but should not be a dummy variable in Tb itself, unless you have something weird going on
 
Office_Shredder said:
Your proposed function doesn't actually depend on x' as a function, so it's unlikely. x' is a dummy variable in the integral, but should not be a dummy variable in Tb itself, unless you have something weird going on

Meh. I will never understand this. If I may back up a little: We were initially given that:

[tex]\bar{T}_b = \frac{1}{x}\int_0^xT_b(x',x)\,dx' \qquad(2)[/tex]

Which says to take the function [itex]T_b(x',x)[/itex] and integrate it over x'. So you are telling me that you think that in this case, x' is NOT a dummy variable?
 
x' is a dummy variable in the integral. But just looking at the function

Tb(x,x')

It's a function that depends on two variables, x and x'. It's like if you integrate sin(v), v becomes a dummy variable, but just given the function sin(v) v is not a dummy variable
 

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