Issac Physics 'Three Collisions' High School Homework - Kinematic

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The problem involves three particles A, B, and C, initially at rest on a smooth horizontal table, with A projected towards B. The scenario changes the masses of the particles to m, 2m, and 3m respectively, and requires finding the fraction of the initial speed u that particle C moves with after a series of elastic collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of mass changes on momentum and energy conservation in elastic collisions. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of mass differences in the context of the problem and how they affect the calculations for each part of the question.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants questioning the assumptions made about mass and momentum. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to apply conservation laws, but there is no consensus on the approach to take for the different parts of the question.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem consists of two parts with different mass configurations, which may lead to confusion in applying the same methods to both scenarios. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in the problem statement and the assumptions being made.

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Homework Statement
Three particles A, B, and C, each of mass π‘š, lie at rest in that order in a straight line on a smooth horizontal table. The particle A is then projected directly towards B with speed 𝑒.

The masses of A, B, and C are now π‘š, 2π‘š and 3π‘š respectively:

Again find the fraction of 𝑒 that C moves with immediately after the second impact, assuming the collisions are perfectly elastic. Give your answer as a decimal to three significant figures.
Relevant Equations
Kinetic energy: 𝐾=0.5π‘šπ‘£^2
Momentum: 𝑝=π‘šπ‘£
Homework Statement: Three particles A, B, and C, each of mass π‘š, lie at rest in that order in a straight line on a smooth horizontal table. The particle A is then projected directly towards B with speed 𝑒.

The masses of A, B, and C are now π‘š, 2π‘š and 3π‘š respectively:

Again find the fraction of 𝑒 that C moves with immediately after the second impact, assuming the collisions are perfectly elastic. Give your answer as a decimal to three significant figures.
Homework Equations: Kinetic energy: 𝐾=0.5π‘šπ‘£^2
Momentum: 𝑝=π‘šπ‘£

Increase in mass = increase in momentum, but not sure if that means an increase in momentum transferred.

3?

I know this may be too easy for advanced physics, but I need urgent help! Thank you!

The link to the question: https://isaacphysics.org/questions/three_collisions_num?board=a48e1e5b-c230-44b8-85c5-d38076cb543f
 
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Hello radhxy, ##\quad## :welcome: ##\quad## !

Your text is a bit self-contradicting, with
radhxy said:
Three particles A, B, and C, each of mass π‘š, ...
and
The masses of A, B, and C are now π‘š, 2π‘š and 3π‘š respectively:
as if the collisions make the masses go different. But apparently the first quote applies to part a and the second to part b.

How did you solve part a) and why can't you apply the same math to part b) ?
 
radhxy said:
Increase in mass = increase in momentum
There is no increase in mass. These are two separate questions. In part a the masses are equal, in part b they are different.
 
radhxy said:
Homework Statement: Three particles A, B, and C, each of mass π‘š, lie at rest in that order in a straight line on a smooth horizontal table. The particle A is then projected directly towards B with speed 𝑒.

The masses of A, B, and C are now π‘š, 2π‘š and 3π‘š respectively:

Again find the fraction of 𝑒 that C moves with immediately after the second impact, assuming the collisions are perfectly elastic. Give your answer as a decimal to three significant figures.
Homework Equations: Kinetic energy: 𝐾=0.5π‘šπ‘£^2
Momentum: 𝑝=π‘šπ‘£

Increase in mass = increase in momentum, but not sure if that means an increase in momentum transferred.

3?
you have to remember that increased mass means increased inertia which means that it would takje more momentum to move this particle a a certain speed.
if you have 3 particles in a perfectly elastic collision both energy and momentum would be conserved, you should put the equations that say that the momentum before the collision is equal to the momentum after the collision (of the WHOLE system) , and then another equation that states that the kinetic energy before the collision is equal to the kinetic energy after the collision (Of the whole system, by this I mean of the 3 particles)
 
Fdtroya said:
you have to remember that increased mass means increased inertia which means that it would takje more momentum to move this particle a a certain speed.
if you have 3 particles in a perfectly elastic collision both energy and momentum would be conserved, you should put the equations that say that the momentum before the collision is equal to the momentum after the collision (of the WHOLE system) , and then another equation that states that the kinetic energy before the collision is equal to the kinetic energy after the collision (Of the whole system, by this I mean of the 3 particles)
That whole system approach does not in itself furnish enough equations. Each collision needs to be treated separately.
 

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