Japan Earthquake: Nuclear Plants at Fukushima Daiichi

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The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is facing significant challenges following the earthquake, with reports indicating that reactor pressure has reached dangerous levels, potentially 2.1 times capacity. TEPCO has lost control of pressure at a second unit, raising concerns about safety and management accountability. The reactor is currently off but continues to produce decay heat, necessitating cooling to prevent a meltdown. There are conflicting reports about an explosion, with indications that it may have originated from a buildup of hydrogen around the containment vessel. The situation remains serious, and TEPCO plans to flood the containment vessel with seawater as a cooling measure.
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etudiant said:
The Areva plant was listed as having a 1200 ton/day capacity, reducing the radioactivity of the processed water by up to 99.99%, Presumably this means that if the incoming water is contaminated to 1 million times the allowable level, it will deliver output at about 100 to 1000 times the allowed amount.

Afaik, the plant works by precipitating out the contaminants, rather than by absorption or filtering, so there will be a quantity of radioactive residue to be managed.
Japan is also getting a shipboard waste water treatment they built for the Russians back from them,
but this has only 7000 tons/yr capacity and is designed to handle low level contaminated liquid.

Thanks.

i found some more info at
http://rapidsavr.com/french-plan-to-clean-fukushimas-radioactive-water-detailed-including-risks/
 
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Atomfritz said:
Wasn't the plant shut down on government request?

I am no expert, but i think this should have been detected by the water purity systems?!?
Maybe they are running their plants even if seawater is leaking in, to avoid even more electric shortages?
I am no expert either, but: it has been detected by water purity checking. They were not "running the plant" - i.e. they were no longer producing electricity, but the fuel in the reactor still needed (and indeed still needs) cooling.
 
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zapperzero said:
I am no expert either, but: it has been detected by water purity checking. They were not "running the plant" - i.e. they were no longer producing electricity, but the fuel in the reactor still needed (and indeed still needs) cooling.

I might have a bit of expertise in this incident. The three reactors SCRAMMED automatically during the earthquake. At least one containment and probably all three were breached before the tsunami hit. A high-radiation warning sounded on the plant perimeter before the tsunami arrived.

tergeist.wordpress.com and Hawaii News Daily since March 17.
 
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Atomfritz said:
This is strange.
Wasn't the plant shut down on government request?
I think there is more behind this story. It is not only fear of a future earthquake that triggered the government to have the NPP shut down. Not now as they are already short of electric power and the economy is on its way into a recession.

400to of sea water is a lot. How can this happen? There must be heavy leaks. In addition since they also found sea water in the reactor core also the primary cooling system must be leaking. So, what does this tell you about the NPP's condition?
 
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htf said:
So, what does this tell you about the NPP's condition?

Well, it tells me that it is maintaining cold shutdown using emergency systems only, until the condenser is repaired. Correct?
 
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Tepco released details about the contaminated water leak discovered at a pit near unit 3's seawater inlet on May 11th

The leak started on May 10th, lasted 41 hours, leaking a total amount of 250 cubic meters and 20 trillion becquerels of radiations, worth 100 years of allowed sea discharge.

A total of 27 such pits are planned to be filled with concrete by the end of June to prevent such leaks to occur again.

http://mainichi.jp/select/weathernews/news/20110521dde007040024000c.html
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yakiniku said:
I think the amount is 20兆 which is 20 trillion becquerels.
thanks)
 
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zapperzero said:
Well, it tells me that it is maintaining cold shutdown using emergency systems only, until the condenser is repaired. Correct?
Technically correct. Nothing to worry about. It is quite normal for Japanese NPPs to have severe damages that are only discovered by chance. Same maintenance policy as African truckers: as long as the wheels are turning, there is no need to fix things?!
 
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More on Hamaoka :

a metal lid measuring about 20 cm in diameter and weighing around 3.5 kilograms was found to have fallen nearby.

Chubu Electric suspects the metal lid may have hit the pipes when it fell and is examining other pipes in the condenser.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110521p2g00m0dm005000c.html
 
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tsutsuji said:
The leak started on May 10th, lasted 41 hours, leaking a total amount of 250 cubic meters and 2 billion Becquerels of radiations, worth 100 years of allowed sea discharge.

I think the amount is 20兆 which is 20 trillion becquerels.
 
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yakiniku said:
I think the amount is 20兆 which is 20 trillion becquerels.

British (and European continental) billions, American trillions...
 
  • #7,903
ernal_student said:
British (and European continental) billions, American trillions...

Why not just use exponent notation like NORMAL PEOPLE and be done with it.
 
  • #7,904
ernal_student said:
British (and European continental) billions, American trillions...

Haha, ok shall we use 'tera' so there is no ambiguitity? :smile:
 
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zapperzero said:
Why not just use exponent notation like NORMAL PEOPLE and be done with it.

Indeed. Although Japanese 兆 is perfectly clear, the problem is English where anything larger than hundreds of millions should really be expressed using exponents to avoid this kind of confusion.
 
  • #7,906
ihatelies said:
In my opinion . . . .

First, we acknowledge that in both the reactor and the spent fuel has plutonium in it. The plutonium comes from two sources: First it comes as a by product of the fission reaction in the reactor. I don't think that plutonium is a great risk, because the molecules are interspersed in the rod fuel. In a complete catastrophic explosion, it would not travel far from the reactor.
Pu is produced by n-capture and successive beta decay according to U238 + n => U-239 (ß-decay) => Np-239 (ß-decay) => Pu239. Higher isotopes of Pu are formed similarly by n-capture in U or Np and subsequent beta, or n-capture in Pu 239, Pu 240, Pu 241. Pu-239 and Pu-241 are more likely to fission. Pu is chemically dispersed in the ceramic matrix since it simply is a U atom transformed into Pu in a UO2 matrix, but there can be complex oxide compounds formed with other fission products, such as Cs2(U,Pu)O4.
This is useful - http://nobelprize.org/educational/physics/energy/fission_2.html

The second source of plutonium is the mixing of finely ground (nanometer) plutonium powder with the uranium in the new fuel rods that were placed into the #3 reactor in August. Alternatively known as MOX fuel, they mix between 6% and 15% plutonium powder in. I believe the Fukushima rods were somewhere in the lower half of this range.
Not quite. The Pu and U are in the form of a stoichiometric oxide, PuO2 and UO2, which is usually a mechanical blend, or could have been formed from a co-precipitation process. If the Fukushima fuel is nominally 4% enriched in U-235, then the Pu would be about 5-6% Pu - give or take - to match the nuclear characteristics of the UO2 fuel.
During manufacture, the powder is "sintered" into pellets. What is unclear in everything I have read is whether the sintering melts the powder into solid metal pellets, or whether it simply binds the material into a pellet, but the powder still remains on the inside. Given my knowledge of powder metallurgy it takes a lot of heat and pressure to render powder into solid metal, and I suspect they would not subject the plutonium to enough to completely bind it, for fear of a reaction during manufacturing.
U and Pu are sintered ceramics, not metals. The cold-pressed green ceramic is about 50-55% TD, and is sintered at about 1700-1800C in a reducing environment. PM processes such as HIP do not apply here.
Once the rods are brought to operating temperature in the reactor core, my guess is they reach a high enough temperature to bind the powder completely. I haven't found anything specific on this topic, . . .
The ceramic is a manufactured in solid cylindrical pellet form.
However there exists the possibility that new plutonium enriched rods were waiting in the spent fuel pools to be loaded. If my analysis above is correct, these rods would not have their plutonium bound yet, and in the case of an explosion, the nanometer powder could be released.
According to available records, the 32 MOX assemblies were loaded into the core and were operating. Otherwise fresh fuel was UO2. Spent fuel contains Pu mixed in the pellets. If the spent fuel pool 'exploded', there would be a significant release of radioactive material. The status of the fuel in the pool is not clear given the large amount of debris that has fallen into the pool. It does not appear to have 'exploded'.

I guess this is more of a set of questions for discussion rather than a statement. My question would be this: 1. Does anyone know if the plutonium powder is bound into solid metal during the sintering process? 2. Did any of the spent fuel pool contain plutonium enriched rods ready to be loaded? and 3. If so, is this a danger if the #3 spent fuel blew up rather than the reactor?
Pu in the fuel is in a form of (U,Pu)O2 ceramic. The fresh fuel appears to be UO2. The SFP of unit 3 appears to be intact, although there may have been some damage, and some of the spent fuel could be damaged. That has yet to be determined. Fresh fuel has no fission products, so no decay heat from fission products.

The spent fuel pool of Unit #4 would have been more at risk for loss of cooling since the full core had been offloaded. The SFPs of units 1,2,3 had some fresh fuel and several batches of discharged fuel. One batch would have been discharged last year, one batch the year before, and so on. The older the fuel, the less the decay heat.

The explosions in Units 1 and 3 were attributed to hydrogen from the reactor. That hydrogen is expected to be from oxidation of the zirconium alloy cladding and channels in the core, as has been explained very early in this thread. In unit 4, it was thought that hydrogen was produced in the SFP for oxidation of the cladding/channels. The video of the fuel in SFP#4 seems to show that the fuel is largely intact, but the cladding/channels could have oxidized and produced hydrogen. Some quantity (presently unknown) of fuel rods could have been breached, in which case they would have released Xe, Kr, I and possibly Cs if the fuel temperature was high enough. TEPCO will have to retrieve/lift some assemblies and inspect them for integrity.

The fuel in the cores of Units 1,2,3 were at greater risk of overheating since they have been operating at time of the earthquake, and were generating significant decay heat when cooling was lost.
 
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ernal_student said:
The sentence where this appears could also mean something like "... TEPCO performed water leak countermeasures at a different building" - which, from what is written before that, could mean that the current facility is overburdened and they need to prepare another place.

I found the names of the buildings where they moved the contaminated water at http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4730375.html :

The contaminated water from unit 2 is being moved to プロセス主建屋 (process main building)

The contaminated water from unit 3 is being moved to 雑固体廃棄物減容処理建屋 (miscellaneous solid waste volume reduction treatment building)

If you have good eyes you can locate 雑固体廃棄物減容処理建屋 close to the lower right corner of the map at http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/f1-sv-20110323-e.pdf

They say that with a pace of 10 cubic metres per hour, the process main building will be full within 7 days and the solid waste reduction treatment building within 11 days.

So they're hoping the water treatment facility (is that the Areva plant ?) will start running from the second decade of June, early enough for the tsuyu rain.

The water levels in mm in both destination buildings (together with the difference over the last 24 hours) are provided at the top of http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_110519_03-e.pdf (dated May 19th)

Some details were provided in the following attachments to a http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11051603-e.html :

Criterion : up to the floor level in the first basement of the buildings. However...
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/1110516e2.pdf (pdf)

Transfer plan : http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/1110516e3.pdf

See also

On May 17th we finished a leak check on transferring pipes and sta[r]ted to transfer at 06:04 PM (approx. 12 m^3/h)

p 7/19 http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/110521e1.pdf
 
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elektrownik said:
RCIC is powered by steam, so fluctuations in amount of steam = fluctuations in RCIC

I must of missed it, could you please direct me to the information on RCIC being powered by steam and the "supply source of the steam" if known?
thanks
 
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Whoa, NISA comes clean about isotope ingestion resulting in considerable exposures to thousands who were involved early on at Dai-ichi.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110521p2a00m0na021000c.html

Some dose calculations these poor guys got, or are expected to get:

http://www.falloutphilippines.blogspot.com/

I always suspected that they were understating potential exposures, but i still find this a bit unsettling. Information is constantly subject to change out of the Japanese agencies, and most often, for the worse.
 
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Luca Bevil said:
That would not b epoliticaly acceptable.

I remember watching Arnie Gundersen say that a decontamination on such a scale (as per amount of water processed, I think) has never been attempted before.

Does anyone have any idea about what tha capabilities of the AREVA plant could be ?

Both in terms of hourly flow treated and performance in contamination removal ?


I would be grateful if someone knowledgeable about such things would post a brief explanation of the principles of operation of a plant for decontamination of water containing a range of radioactive elements in solution.

I can see that distillation would do the job in principle but I find it difficult to imagine it being used on the scale needed here.
 
  • #7,911
Calvadosser said:
I would be grateful if someone knowledgeable about such things would post a brief explanation of the principles of operation of a plant for decontamination of water containing a range of radioactive elements in solution.

I can see that distillation would do the job in principle but I find it difficult to imagine it being used on the scale needed here.

The idea is to precipitate out the radioactives by introducing chemicals that reacts with the cesium, iodine etc to form insoluble compounds that can then be filtered out. The usual illustration in chemistry textbooks is using H2S to precipitate silver sulfide out of a silver chloride solution. It is possible that for this case there needs to be more than one precipitation to sequester the different materials in the water. No idea exactly what the Areva chemistry is, how many steps are involved and what the individual stage efficiencies are.
The hope is of course that the volume of seriously radioactive material can be very much reduced

Distillation is probably not a way forward, as the boiling point for iodine or cesium is low enough that both materials have high enough vapor pressure at 100*C to contaminate the steam produced.
 
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Calvadosser said:
I would be grateful if someone knowledgeable about such things would post a brief explanation of the principles of operation of a plant for decontamination of water containing a range of radioactive elements in solution.

I can see that distillation would do the job in principle but I find it difficult to imagine it being used on the scale needed here.

It is not done by destillation, but chemically.
Lots of chemicals are poured and mixed into the water and the precipitation remains as radioactive sludge.

Here some details (excerpted from http://rapidsavr.com/french-plan-to-clean-fukushimas-radioactive-water-detailed-including-risks/ )

Physicians for Social Responsibility said:
Areva treats contaminated water from reactor cooling systems by injecting chemicals that bind to radioactive isotopes and settle out.
Areva has not revealed which chemicals it will use at Fukushima, but a 1995 report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Energy (pdf) details the process it uses at La Hague. According to DOE, Areva uses:
nickel and potassium ferrocyanide to capture cesium

France also uses hydroxides of sodium, manganese, titanium, and iron, according to other sources. The chemicals and radionuclides are removed from the water in a highly radioactive chemical sludge.
http://rapidsavr.com/french-plan-to-clean-fukushimas-radioactive-water-detailed-including-risks/

This means that the "cleaned" water will be full of hazardous chemical substances.
I doubt that these chemicals allow it to be recycled as reactor cooling water, even if they say:
Physicians for Social Responsibility said:
Areva has said the cleaned water could be recycled as coolant for the reactor cores as crews work to shut them down, a process that will take months and could take years. But there is far more water flooding the Fukushima plant than is needed to cool it.

The advantage is just that it no longer counts as dangerous radwaste, even if around 1% of the original radioactivity remains in it, and can be disposed of in the sea without causing too much international disturbance.
 
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  • #7,913
Somewhere in the 496 pages of this string there was a photo of a BWR in the shipyard/construction yard. It had the main components and was all metal with a single man who looked tiny on the structure. Can anybody repost that again? It was a great photo but I can not find it.
 
  • #7,914
Here is a small Areva video in French with a few diagrams showing the water treatment : http://www.industrie.com/it/energie/fukushima-comment-areva-va-decontaminer-l-eau.11458

Japanese journalists paying a visit to the Areva plant in France :

A video showing a process developed by Tokyo Institute of Technology based on Prussian Blue (ferric ferrocyanide). The video says they plan to use it to decontaminate ponds or Earth in the areas close to the plant :
 
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Joe Neubarth said:
Somewhere in the 496 pages of this string there was a photo of a BWR in the shipyard/construction yard. It had the main components and was all metal with a single man who looked tiny on the structure. Can anybody repost that again? It was a great photo but I can not find it.
Construction photo of BF1 mentioned here.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3275289&highlight=Browns#post3275289
 
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Tepco released a computer simulation showing dispersal routes and densities of radioactivity released form Fukushima NPP.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/21_22.html

Interesting: is this simulation available somewhere (other than the screenshots in this NHK item)?
 
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Joe Neubarth said:
Somewhere in the 496 pages of this string there was a photo of a BWR in the shipyard/construction yard. It had the main components and was all metal with a single man who looked tiny on the structure. Can anybody repost that again? It was a great photo but I can not find it.
Might mean this one with a women standing next to a stainless steel shroud.
 

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intric8 said:
Whoa, NISA comes clean about isotope ingestion resulting in considerable exposures to thousands who were involved early on at Dai-ichi.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110521p2a00m0na021000c.html

Some dose calculations these poor guys got, or are expected to get:

http://www.falloutphilippines.blogspot.com/

I always suspected that they were understating potential exposures, but i still find this a bit unsettling. Information is constantly subject to change out of the Japanese agencies, and most often, for the worse.

Hummm... it seems that this is a move towards what we discussed here:(see posts 76,
77, 80, 81, 87, 88, 90, 95 and several others) :

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=486089&page=5

Does this article tend to show that there is, as some developped it in the mentionned thread, some kind of contradiction between the "low doses" received by the workers, based on Tepco communication, and the levels of this INGESTED contamination?

How can you explain this if the measured doses, released by officials and Tepco, are supposed (as supported by some in the thread, but criticized by others, including me) to take into account external AND internal doses from ingested (inhalated and /or eaten and drunk) isotopes?

Where is the flaw, taking into account these new facts?

I would like to have CLEAR explanations to understand, with many other people, all those apparent important contradictions between communications and facts and reality...

By the way, thanks Intric8 for this info!
 
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Okay, I'm blonde and maybe I just don't get it...but in the article above it says

"According to Kakizawa, one worker at the Shika Nuclear Power Plant operated by Hokuriku Electric Power Co. in Ishikawa Prefecture returned to his home in Kawauchi, Fukushima Prefecture, on March 13 and stayed there for several hours. He then stayed in Koriyama in the prefecture with his family for one night before moving out of Fukushima. On March 23, he underwent a test at the Shika Nuclear Power Plant that showed his internal exposure to radiation had reached 5,000 cpm. He was thus instructed by the company to remain on standby. The radiation reading dropped below 1,500 cpm two days later, and then he returned to work."

So he had the test 10 days after he had been to the area and it was that high. The half life for iodine is like 8 days right? two days later he was down to 1500 and went back to work. 10 days is time for one halflife before he was tested...but somehow the math isn't working for me. Can someone explain this??
 
  • #7,920
Sabbatia said:
Okay, I'm blonde and maybe I just don't get it...but in the article above it says

"According to Kakizawa, one worker at the Shika Nuclear Power Plant operated by Hokuriku Electric Power Co. in Ishikawa Prefecture returned to his home in Kawauchi, Fukushima Prefecture, on March 13 and stayed there for several hours. He then stayed in Koriyama in the prefecture with his family for one night before moving out of Fukushima. On March 23, he underwent a test at the Shika Nuclear Power Plant that showed his internal exposure to radiation had reached 5,000 cpm. He was thus instructed by the company to remain on standby. The radiation reading dropped below 1,500 cpm two days later, and then he returned to work."

So he had the test 10 days after he had been to the area and it was that high. The half life for iodine is like 8 days right? two days later he was down to 1500 and went back to work. 10 days is time for one halflife before he was tested...but somehow the math isn't working for me. Can someone explain this??
Does one have a reference or citation? It is not possible to answer without knowing what kind of counting/survey was done. Possibly the person was scanned with a whole body counter. Normally one is scanned in and out of restricted (controlled access) areas at an NPP. The objective is to prevent radioactive substances from entering or leaving.
 

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