Laplace's equation w/ polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around understanding the Laplacian operator in polar coordinates, specifically how it is expressed and applied in solving Laplace's equation. The original poster seeks clarification on the derivation of the operator as presented in their lecture notes.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the Laplacian operator in polar coordinates and question the steps involved in transitioning from Cartesian to polar forms. There is also an inquiry into solving Laplace's equation with specific boundary conditions, examining the implications of the derived expressions.

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Some participants have provided detailed mathematical reasoning regarding the derivation of the Laplacian in polar coordinates. Others have raised further questions about the application of these concepts to specific boundary value problems, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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The original poster has not attempted the homework problem until the clarification on the Laplacian operator is achieved. There are specific boundary conditions mentioned that may influence the approach to solving Laplace's equation.

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The lecture notes say that ∇ = urr + (1/r)ur + (1/r2)uθθ. I'm not sure how this comes about. The notes never explain it.

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No attempts on the actual homework problem until this ∇ thing is cleared up.
 
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That is the "Laplacian" operator, [itex]\partial^2/\partial x^2+ \partial^2/\partial x^2[/itex] in two dimensional xy- coordinates, in polar coordinates.

For [itex]\phi[/itex] any differentiable function of x and y, by the chain rule,
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}[/tex]

Since [itex]r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2}[/itex], [itex]\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= (1/2)2rcos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)[/itex]. Since [itex]\theta= artctan(y/x)[/itex],
[tex]\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}= (1./(1+ y^2/x^2))(-(y/x^2)= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -rsin(\theta)/r^2= -sin(\theta)/r[/tex].

So
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}[/tex]

Then
[tex]\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial x^2}= cos(\theta)\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left(cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\right)[/tex][tex]+ \frac{sin(\theta)}{r}\left(cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\right)[/tex]

Complete that then do the same for [itex]\partial^2\phi/\partial \theta^2[/itex].
 
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Bingo. Got it.
 
HallsofIvy, I have another question if you have the time. I'm trying to solve

2u=0​

with the boundary conditions

u(x,0)=0, u(0,y)=0, u(x,1)=x, u(1,y)=y.​

I've found that u(x,0)=0 and u(0,y)=0 imply

u(x,y)= D * sinh(√kx) * sin(√ky)​

where k was my separation constant.

I then did

u(x,1)=x → uxx(x,1)=0=D * sinh(√kx) * sin(√ky)​

to conclude that √k = n∏ and that our solution is of the form

Ʃn≥1 Dn * sinh(n∏x) * sin(n∏y).​

Finally, I solved for Dn by

u(1,y)=y=Ʃn≥1 Dn * sinh(n∏) * sin(n∏y)
→ Dn * sinh(n∏) = (2/∏)∫[0,∏] y * sin(n∏y) dy.​

Since that gives me a very messy solution for u, I'm assuming it's wrong. Thoughts?
 

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