Laplace's equation w/ polar coordinates

In summary, the lecturer is trying to explain how ∇2u=0 comes about and how to solve for u. However, they are not sure how it works and need help from the students.
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Homework Statement



The lecture notes say that ∇ = urr + (1/r)ur + (1/r2)uθθ. I'm not sure how this comes about. The notes never explain it.

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



No attempts on the actual homework problem until this ∇ thing is cleared up.
 
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That is the "Laplacian" operator, [itex]\partial^2/\partial x^2+ \partial^2/\partial x^2[/itex] in two dimensional xy- coordinates, in polar coordinates.

For [itex]\phi[/itex] any differentiable function of x and y, by the chain rule,
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}[/tex]

Since [itex]r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2}[/itex], [itex]\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= (1/2)2rcos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)[/itex]. Since [itex]\theta= artctan(y/x)[/itex],
[tex]\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}= (1./(1+ y^2/x^2))(-(y/x^2)= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -rsin(\theta)/r^2= -sin(\theta)/r[/tex].

So
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}[/tex]

Then
[tex]\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial x^2}= cos(\theta)\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left(cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\right)[/tex][tex]+ \frac{sin(\theta)}{r}\left(cos(\theta)\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}- \frac{sin(\theta)}{r} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \theta}\right)[/tex]

Complete that then do the same for [itex]\partial^2\phi/\partial \theta^2[/itex].
 
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Bingo. Got it.
 
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HallsofIvy, I have another question if you have the time. I'm trying to solve

2u=0​

with the boundary conditions

u(x,0)=0, u(0,y)=0, u(x,1)=x, u(1,y)=y.​

I've found that u(x,0)=0 and u(0,y)=0 imply

u(x,y)= D * sinh(√kx) * sin(√ky)​

where k was my separation constant.

I then did

u(x,1)=x → uxx(x,1)=0=D * sinh(√kx) * sin(√ky)​

to conclude that √k = n∏ and that our solution is of the form

Ʃn≥1 Dn * sinh(n∏x) * sin(n∏y).​

Finally, I solved for Dn by

u(1,y)=y=Ʃn≥1 Dn * sinh(n∏) * sin(n∏y)
→ Dn * sinh(n∏) = (2/∏)∫[0,∏] y * sin(n∏y) dy.​

Since that gives me a very messy solution for u, I'm assuming it's wrong. Thoughts?
 

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Laplace's equation with polar coordinates is a partial differential equation that describes the relationship between the temperature, pressure, and potential in a two-dimensional space that is symmetric about a central point.

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Laplace's equation with polar coordinates can be solved using separation of variables, where the solution is expressed as a product of two functions, one of which only depends on the radial coordinate and the other only on the angular coordinate.

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