Limits to Superconductor Energy Storage?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limitations and practicalities of using superconductors for energy storage, particularly in the context of magnetic energy storage systems (SMES). Participants explore the physics of superconductivity, the challenges associated with energy storage capacity, and the feasibility of such systems for home use.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that energy can be stored in superconductors through magnetic fields, questioning the limitations and drawbacks of this method.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of a critical current that limits superconducting behavior, suggesting that this is a significant factor in energy storage capacity.
  • It is stated that superconductors are already used in commercial energy storage systems (SMES), which are efficient but costly, primarily serving power conditioning purposes.
  • Participants discuss the limitations imposed by the critical current and the physical size of superconducting coils, emphasizing the need for structural support and the avoidance of exceeding the critical field.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of strong magnetic fields generated by superconductors for home use.
  • One participant proposes that toroidal designs could mitigate external magnetic fields, although challenges related to cooling systems remain.
  • Another participant clarifies that modern systems increasingly use alternative cooling methods instead of liquid helium, which are less expensive but still complex and noisy.
  • It is suggested that the rapid response of SMES systems is advantageous, but for typical home applications, conventional batteries may be more suitable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the practicality and limitations of superconductors for energy storage. While some acknowledge the potential of SMES systems, others highlight significant challenges and costs, indicating that there is no consensus on their viability for home use.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on material properties for critical current, the geometric constraints of superconducting coils, and the complexities associated with cooling systems. These factors contribute to the unresolved nature of the discussion regarding the feasibility of superconductors for energy storage.

John Morrell
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I'm just starting to learn about the physics behind Faraday's laws and magnetic flux and it's gotten me thinking a lot about superconductors. I know that you can store energy in a superconductor in the form of magnetic fields since a current in a superconducting loop will persist indefinitely. What are the drawbacks to this? I assume there must be some fairly low ceiling for how much energy we can store in them, or else their utility would more than make up for the inconvenience of keeping them cool...
 
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There's a critical current at which a material will cease to behave as a superconductor.
See http://www.open.edu/openlearn/science-maths-technology/engineering-and-technology/engineering/superconductivity/content-section-2.5
 
Superconductors ARE used for energy storage; so-called SMES systems have been used commercially for a few years. The systems are very efficient but costly and are therefore mainly used for power conditioning; i.e. to avoid "brown outs"

The amount of energy you can store is limited by the critical current and the size of the superconducting coil; the former is a property of the material used and the latter is basically limited by geometry, there is a practical upper limited to the size because you need quite a lot of structural support in order to balance the forces created because of the magnetic field within the coil and at the same time you need to avoid exceeding the critical field of the material .
 
The strong magnetic fields generated by the currents would probably be impractical for home use.
 
I thought that at first as well but after researching a bit I saw that by making the loops toroids, the external magnetic fields can be pretty small.
 
John Morrell said:
I thought that at first as well but after researching a bit I saw that by making the loops toroids, the external magnetic fields can be pretty small.
but the arrangements for cooling extreme electromagents with liquid helium will not be small.
 
rootone said:
but the arrangements for cooling extreme electromagents with liquid helium will not be small.
Most modern systems do not use liquid helium; they use pulse-tubes or some other type of coolers which only require electricity (although they are quite noisy). Liquid helium is used less and less even in research labs because of the cost.

That said, all systems of this type are too expensive and too complicated for home use. The main advantage of these systems is how rapidly they can response and you do not need that for a normal home; normal batteries would make more sense for a house.
 

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