Magnitude & Direction of electric fields?

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The discussion revolves around determining the magnitude and direction of the electric field at the center of a square configuration of charges. The original poster presents a specific scenario involving point charges and seeks assistance in resolving the electric field components and calculating the resultant angle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to define a coordinate system and resolve the electric field vectors into their x and y components. There is a focus on using the Pythagorean theorem to find the magnitude and the arctangent function to determine the angle of the resultant vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the calculation of components and the use of trigonometric functions. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants expressing confusion about the angle derived from their computations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a specific problem setup involving a square arrangement of charges and are navigating through the complexities of vector addition and trigonometric relationships. There is mention of potential mistakes in calculations that may affect the angle determination.

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Homework Statement


What are the magnitude and direction (in degrees counterclockwise from the horizontal) of the electric field at the center of the square of Fig. 23-31 if q = 0.9*10^-8 C and a = 5.1 cm?

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Homework Equations


E=kq/r^2
k=8.99*10^9 N*m^2/C^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Calculated r using the pythagorean theorem:
5.1cm--->.051m
sqrt(.051^2+.051^2)=.07212m ...this is the length of the entire diagonal so r would be the diagonal divided by 2 which equals .036062445841 meters.

Starting with E1 (the upper left hand corner of the square) and moving clockwise to E4...
E1=+62214.53 N/C
E2=-124429.07 N/C
E3=+124429.07 N/C
E4=-62214.53 N/C

Here is where I get confused...do I resolve these in horizontal and vertical components? And, how do I find the angle? Thanks for your help!
 
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I believe you would do well to define an xy-coordinaate system, with origin at the center of the square. The electric field is a vector, and thus will have x and y components. You want to find all of the x-components of the field at the center of the square, and sum them, and do the same for the y-components. Once you have these two components, you can use the Pythagorean theorem to find the magnitude of the electric field. Also, at this point, it will be easy to find the angle at which the field vector points (because you will know which directions the components point), and you can use the arc-tangent to find this. Do you follow?
 
Thanks for your tips. Here's what I got:
Xnet= -87984.636 N/C
Ynet= 0 N/C
Using the pythagorean theorem:
Enet= 87984.636 N/C
This much is correct but when I take the arctangent(0/-87984.636) I get 0. Any ideas?
 
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If the x net is -87984.636, and there is zero net in the y-direction, then you simply have a vector pointing in the negative x-direction with the x-net magnitude. There will be no y-component and thus the vector cannot rise above the x-axis, and so the angle it makes with the horizontal is zero, right?
 
That makes sense but I must have made a mistake somewhere along the way. The magnitude is correct but the angle isn't. Here's my math:

+q E1=62214.53 N/C
-2q E2=-124429.0657 N/C
-q E3=-62214.53 N/C
+2q E4=124429.0657 N/C

E1
X=62214.53sin135=43992.318 N/C
Y=62214.53cos135=-43992.318 N/C
E2
X=-124429.0657sin45=-87984.636 N/C
Y=-124429.0657cos45=-87984.636 N/C
E3
X=-62214.53287sin225=43992.318 N/C
Y=-62214.53287cos225=43992.318 N/C
E4
X=124429.0657sin315=-87987.636 N/C
Y=124429.0657cos315=87987.636 N/C

Xnet and Ynet are the values listed above. Maybe I overlooked something? Thanks for your quick responses! The angle is 90 degrees above the horizontal...I don't really understand why though.
 
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