Measuring an angle in non-inertial frame reference

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of a hanging pendulum to calculate the acceleration of a car in Earth's frame of reference, with the equation a=gtanθ. The group is trying to develop procedures for an experiment to verify this equation and is considering using a motion sensor to detect the acceleration of a cart and a protractor to measure the angle of the pendulum. However, it is suggested to use a support on the cart to hold the pendulum at an initial angle to avoid difficulty in measuring the angle. The group is considering this suggestion, but also needs to write lab procedures for others to repeat the experiment.
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In class, we came up with an equation, a=gtanθ, to calculate the acceleration of a car using a hanging pendulum in Earth's frame of reference (θ being the angle that the pendulum makes with the vertical when the car accelerates). So far, I know that that the pendulum moves in the opposite direction of the car's acceleration and only tension force and gravity are acting on the pendulum in inertial frame of reference.
so eq1. Tsinθ=ma
eq2. Tcosθ=mg and when you solve for a, you get a=gtanθ

But we are trying to develop procedures for an experiment that verifies this equation. We need to find both acceleration and angle that the pendulum makes in an accelerating cart and prove that the equation is valid. We have a motion sensor to detect the acceleration of a moving cart. We are making the cart to accelerate at a constant rate by hanging a mass and dropping it. The part that we are not sure about is how to measure the angle that the pendulum makes with the vertical in the accelerating cart. We thought about taping a protractor to the cart and taking snapshots during the acceleration, but it's difficult to get a clear picture. Do you have any ideas or suggestions to improve our experiment?
 
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Hello Sonya36 and welcome to PF.

I would imagine that if the pendulum is initially hanging vertically when you release the cart, then the pendulum will swing back and overshoot the angle θo that you are trying to measure, thus making the measurement of θo difficult.

In order to avoid this, you might try using a support on the cart (shown in blue in the figure) to hold the pendulum at some initial angle before letting the cart go. If the initial supporting angle is less than θo, then the ball will lose contact with the support after releasing the cart. Thus, by trial and error, you could find the position of the support where the pendulum just starts to lose contact with the support when the cart is released. Maybe this would help. I have never tried it, so it is just a suggestion.
 

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TSny said:
Hello Sonya36 and welcome to PF.

I would imagine that if the pendulum is initially hanging vertically when you release the cart, then the pendulum will swing back and overshoot the angle θo that you are trying to measure, thus making the measurement of θo difficult.

In order to avoid this, you might try using a support on the cart (shown in blue in the figure) to hold the pendulum at some initial angle before letting the cart go. If the initial supporting angle is less than θo, then the ball will lose contact with the support after releasing the cart. Thus, by trial and error, you could find the position of the support where the pendulum just starts to lose contact with the support when the cart is released. Maybe this would help. I have never tried it, so it is just a suggestion.

Thank you for the suggestion, it's definitely worth trying! But I need to write lab procedures that would allow other people to repeat the same experiment. I don't know if trial and error is what they want..
 

1. How is an angle measured in a non-inertial reference frame?

In a non-inertial reference frame, an angle can be measured using a protractor or other measuring tool, just as it would be in an inertial reference frame. However, due to the effects of acceleration and rotation in a non-inertial frame, the angle may appear to change over time.

2. What are the challenges of measuring an angle in a non-inertial frame?

The main challenge in measuring an angle in a non-inertial frame is the presence of acceleration and rotation, which can make it difficult to obtain an accurate and consistent measurement. Additionally, the observer's position and orientation relative to the frame may also affect the angle measurement.

3. How does the Coriolis effect impact angle measurements in a non-inertial frame?

The Coriolis effect is a result of the Earth's rotation and can cause objects to appear to follow curved paths in a non-inertial frame. This can affect angle measurements by altering the perceived position of objects and making it more difficult to determine their true angles.

4. Can an angle be measured in a non-inertial frame without accounting for the frame's acceleration?

No, the acceleration of the non-inertial frame must be taken into account in order to obtain an accurate angle measurement. Ignoring the frame's acceleration can lead to errors and inconsistencies in the measurement.

5. Are there any techniques or methods that can improve angle measurements in a non-inertial frame?

One technique that can improve angle measurements in a non-inertial frame is to use multiple measurements and averaging them to reduce errors. Additionally, advanced mathematical techniques such as transformation matrices can be used to correct for the effects of acceleration and rotation on angle measurements.

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