Mermaid fin vs. conventional flipper

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The discussion revolves around the comparison between a mermaid fin design and conventional scuba flippers, focusing on the efficiency and mechanics of different kicking techniques in underwater propulsion. Participants explore the advantages and disadvantages of using a single up and down stroke versus the traditional scissor kick.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests designing a scuba flipper that operates with a single up and down stroke, questioning the potential advantages and disadvantages of this approach.
  • Another participant argues that using a mermaid kick with both fins together is less efficient, leading to increased fatigue and drag due to the involvement of the entire body.
  • A different participant questions whether the perceived inefficiency of the mermaid kick might stem from familiarity with conventional techniques.
  • One participant, who has experience with snorkeling, expresses concern that the mermaid kick could cause stress to the lower back muscles.
  • Another participant cites DARPA's development of a device that enhances the dolphin kick's efficiency, claiming it can achieve up to 80% efficiency compared to the 15% efficiency of traditional swim fins, and mentions its successful trials with military applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of the mermaid kick versus the scissor kick, with no consensus reached on which technique is superior. Some participants highlight potential drawbacks of the mermaid kick, while others suggest it may be more efficient under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims about efficiency are based on personal experiences and references to specific technologies, but the discussion lacks comprehensive empirical data to support or refute these claims. The effectiveness of different kicking techniques may depend on individual physical conditions and the specific context of use.

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This is just something I was thinking about...
would it be better to design a scuba flipper that has only one up and one down stoke for every cycle instead of the scissor kick? If so (or not) what would be the advantages and disadvantages?
 
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If you've ever scuba-dived and tried "mermaid kicking" with both fins together, you quickly realize it is a less efficient use of your gloriously separate legs. You will get tired more quickly and your drag through the water is somewhat increased because your whole body has to get into the act.
 
Yes I do dive. However, could it be posible that you think it less efficient because we are used to the conventional way?
 
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I can't swim any more, and only used fins for snorkeling anyhow, but my impression is that a 'mermaid' kick would soon cause painful stress to your lower back muscles.
 
Actually, with the right bit of kit, the dolphin-kick can be much more efficient than the scissors-kick. DARPA has developed http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4223354.html" for exactly that reason. They claim that while swim fins are about 15% efficient and turning muscle power into propulsion, this device approaches 80%. In trials, it has doubled the sustainable speed at which SEALS can travel underwater without a vehicle.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/military/darpas-powerswim-brings-out-the-aquaman-in-you-318195.php" that has a video of the device in action. I see that the guys who actually came up with the winning design are the same folks who invented the SequeTM
 
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