Net electric force in particles in triangular formation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net electric force on a 2 nC charge arranged with two other positive point charges in a triangular formation. The user initially struggles with applying the Coulomb's law formula and understanding vector components (i and j) in their calculations. After some attempts, they successfully compute the magnitudes of the forces between the charges and find the resultant force using the Pythagorean theorem. They then seek clarification on determining the direction of the net force, ultimately learning to use the arctangent function to find the angle relative to the x-axis. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding both the calculations and the vector nature of electric forces.
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Homework Statement


Three positive point charges are arranged in a triangular pattern in a plane, as shown below. The Coulomb constant is 8.98755 × 109 N · m2/C2.
Find the magnitude of the net electric force on the 2 nC charge. Answer in units of N.

Homework Equations


Fe = (kq1q2) / (d2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I was looking at this thread with the exact same problem and I followed the directions. However, I don't know what I am doing wrong.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1892198"

My diagram: (it's like the picture given in the thread I looked at but just with different numbers)

3nC
(+)
|
2m
||---2m---|
-------------(+) 2nC
|
2m
|
(+)
6nC

What I tried to do:
((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(3e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 6.740625e-9
((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(6e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 1.348125e-8
cos(45)6.740625e-9 + sin(45)6.740625e-9 = 9.53268329e-9
-cos(45)1.348125e-8 + sin(45)1.348125e-8 = 0

After that I am confused.
 
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I'd write it out more simply to keep track of what's going on.

F1 = k*2*nC*(3/(2*4) i - 3/(2*4) j)
F2 = k*2*nC*(6/2*4) i + 6/(2*4) j)

Fnet = (k*nC/4)*(9 i + 3 j)

|Fnet| = (k*nC/4)*(81 + 9)1/2
 
LowlyPion said:
I'd write it out more simply to keep track of what's going on.

F1 = k*2*nC*(3/(2*4) i - 3/(2*4) j)
F2 = k*2*nC*(6/2*4) i + 6/(2*4) j)

Fnet = (k*nC/4)*(9 i + 3 j)

|Fnet| = (k*nC/4)*(81 + 9)1/2

I still don't understand what i and j are and where all the other numbers came from.
 
nn3568 said:
I still don't understand what i and j are and where all the other numbers came from.

F is a vector right?

i,j are the x,y components of the vector.

The d or r radius is to the charges that are √2*2 away.
When you square that it's 2*4 right?
 
ok, then what about the "2*nC" part? nC is nano-Coulombs though...
Am I supposed to find the force between 3nC and 2nC and then the force between 2nC and 6nC? After that, do I use the Pythagorean theorem to get the resultant force?
 
OK, nevermind. I did what I just posted and I got it right!

F1 = ((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(3e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 6.740625e-9
F2 = ((8.9875e-9)(2e-9)(6e-9))/((sqroot(8))2) = 1.348125e-8
sqroot ((F1)^2 + (F2)^2) = approx. 1.51e-8

YAY!
 
NOw, another question.

How do I find the direction of this force?

I did
inversetan(f1/f2) = 26.6 but it's wrong
 
nn3568 said:
ok, then what about the "2*nC" part? nC is nano-Coulombs though...
Am I supposed to find the force between 3nC and 2nC and then the force between 2nC and 6nC? After that, do I use the Pythagorean theorem to get the resultant force?

That would be the method.

I didn't run the math. Apparently it works for you. So good.
 
nn3568 said:
NOw, another question.

How do I find the direction of this force?

I did
inversetan(f1/f2) = 26.6 but it's wrong

Aren't the components in the ratio (3 j)/(9 i) = 1/3 ?

Arctan(1/3) is angle with the positive x axis?
 
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oh i see. thanks so much for your help! I've learned more from you than from my teacher...
 
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