Net Force on a Descending Man Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net force on a 75.0 kg man descending from a height of 3.1 meters and coming to a rest after a 0.6 m deceleration. The initial calculations yield a force of 3800 N, but the textbook answer is 4530 N. The discrepancy arises because the textbook accounts for both the gravitational force (mg) and the additional force due to deceleration (ma) to determine the total force needed for the man to come to rest. This approach aligns with Newton's third law, indicating that the ground must exert an equal and opposite force to the total downward forces acting on the man. Understanding this concept is crucial for accurately solving similar physics problems.
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Homework Statement



75.0kg Man decends from 3.1m above the ground. At 3.1m his feet touch the ground and he absorbs the landing through a constant acceleration of 0.6m to come to a verticle rest. What is the net force on him?

Homework Equations



Vi = √(2*a*y); a = -[(Vi)^2]/(-2*y); F = m*a; where y = -0.60m and a = -9.8m/s^2.

The Attempt at a Solution



Vi = √[2*a*(-0.60m)] = -7.79m/s
a = -[(-7.79m/s)^2]/(-2*(-0.60m) = -50.63m/s^2
F = 75.0kg*(-50.63m/s^2) = -3800N.

I get 3800N from the ground to him, but the book has 4530N. Their answer works if we add on the absolute value of his mass multiplied by gravity, but why would they do that?
 
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student34 said:

Homework Statement



75.0kg Man decends from 3.1m above the ground. At 3.1m his feet touch the ground and he absorbs the landing through a constant acceleration of 0.6m to come to a verticle rest. What is the net force on him?

Homework Equations



Vi = √(2*a*y); a = -[(Vi)^2]/(-2*y); F = m*a; where y = -0.60m and a = -9.8m/s^2.

The Attempt at a Solution



Vi = √[2*a*(-0.60m)] = -7.79m/s
a = -[(-7.79m/s)^2]/(-2*(-0.60m) = -50.63m/s^2
F = 75.0kg*(-50.63m/s^2) = -3800N.

I get 3800N from the ground to him, but the book has 4530N. Their answer works if we add on the absolute value of his mass multiplied by gravity, but why would they do that?

We will add it because:

Firstly ground has to apply normal reaction R equal to his weight to balance him. Secondly, in this problem the person possesses additional force ma due to the kinematic equation. To make him come to vertical rest, ground must apply net force equal to what he possessed. In this case he had net force mg+ma. By Newton's third law, normal reaction should be equal and opposite to it.
 
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sankalpmittal said:
We will add it because:

Firstly ground has to apply normal reaction R equal to his weight to balance him. Secondly, in this problem the person possesses additional force ma due to the kinematic equation. To make him come to vertical rest, ground must apply net force equal to what he possessed. In this case he had net force mg+ma. By Newton's third normal reaction should be equal and opposite to it.

I get it, thanks a lot.
 
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