Projectile Motion with Drag: Understanding F=ma and dv/dx in Physics

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of projectile motion with drag, specifically focusing on the application of Newton's second law (F=ma) and the interpretation of the derivative dv/dx. Participants also explore the conversion between polar and Cartesian coordinates, expressing confusion and seeking clarification on these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation F=ma in the form of dv/dx = -gy - (bv/m) and seeks clarification on the meaning of dv/dx, expressing confusion over its units.
  • Another participant suggests that dv/dx should actually be dV/dx, relating it to potential energy and work done against gravity.
  • A participant mentions that their lecturer indicated an error in the notes, clarifying that it should be dv/dt instead of dv/dx.
  • One participant expresses difficulty with converting polar equations to Cartesian coordinates, listing several equations and seeking guidance on how to approach these conversions.
  • Another participant provides explanations on polar coordinates, including the relationships between polar and Cartesian coordinates, and discusses the simplicity of certain equations in polar form compared to Cartesian form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of dv/dx, as participants present differing views on its meaning and application. Additionally, the discussion on polar to Cartesian conversions reveals varying levels of understanding and confusion among participants, indicating that the topic remains unresolved for some.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of equations and the conversion process between coordinate systems. There is mention of potential errors in lecture notes, which may contribute to the confusion experienced by some participants.

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This discussion may be useful for students beginning their studies in physics, particularly those grappling with concepts of motion, forces, and coordinate transformations.

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Hi First ever post on Physics Forum.

N2: F=ma can be written as dv/dx=-gy-(bv/m)

g=grav. constant
b=constant where D(total drag force opposing dir. of
trav.)=-bv
y is simply y/vertical component
m=mass

I know dv/dt=a but what is dv/dx-working with the units I just got m^2s^-1. Sooo please can anyone enlighten me on this? Just started uni nd this is in lecture notes.

Ahh merci x x x:blushing:
 
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Helena54321 said:
Hi First ever post on Physics Forum.

N2: F=ma can be written as dv/dx=-gy-(bv/m)

g=grav. constant
b=constant where D(total drag force opposing dir. of
trav.)=-bv
y is simply y/vertical component
m=mass

I know dv/dt=a but what is dv/dx-working with the units I just got m^2s^-1. Sooo please can anyone enlighten me on this? Just started uni nd this is in lecture notes.

Ahh merci x x x:blushing:
That should be dV/dx. The V stands for potential energy. If one does work against gravity, there is an increase in potential energy dV = -dW where W is work. F = -dV/dx follows from dV = -dW = -Fdx .

And, by the way, welcome to Physics Forums!

AM
 
Hi Andrew, thank you very much for replying to my post :). In the lecture the lecturer said that it was an error in the notes and it should be dv/dt.

I just did a test in another lecture and walked out crying. There was one question (which probably seems very easy to you :) ) were you had to convert polar equations to cartesian ones. We also had to draw the cartesian graphs (just 2D).

a) rcos(th)
b)r=2asin(th)
c)r^2sin2(th)=2k
d)rsin(th+(pi/4))=a2^(1/2)

th=theta.

In our lecture notes for this course we have derivations for conversion from cylindrical-cartesian (3D) and spherical-cylindrical. (-=either way)

But when it comes to 2D cartesian and polar I'm like ?. I have no clue what to do. I know a) is a straight line where x=a and b) is a circle but only because my friend told me.

I feel quite lost. How do I approach polar and cartesian egtn conversions?? Thank you.
 
Helena54321 said:
Hi Andrew, thank you very much for replying to my post :). In the lecture the lecturer said that it was an error in the notes and it should be dv/dt.

I just did a test in another lecture and walked out crying. There was one question (which probably seems very easy to you :) ) were you had to convert polar equations to cartesian ones. We also had to draw the cartesian graphs (just 2D).

a) rcos(th)
b)r=2asin(th)
c)r^2sin2(th)=2k
d)rsin(th+(pi/4))=a2^(1/2)

th=theta.

In our lecture notes for this course we have derivations for conversion from cylindrical-cartesian (3D) and spherical-cylindrical. (-=either way)

But when it comes to 2D cartesian and polar I'm like ?. I have no clue what to do. I know a) is a straight line where x=a and b) is a circle but only because my friend told me.

I feel quite lost. How do I approach polar and cartesian egtn conversions?? Thank you.
Polar co-ordinates are just another way of identifying a point on a plane. Rather than identifying the point by its position relative to the x and y axes, the point is identified by its displacement from the origin (distance and angle). You could give a position as "86.0 km east and 43.0 km north of the airport or you could say "97.5 km 30 degrees north of east of the airport".

To convert from polar to cartesian co-ordinates, [itex]x = r\cos\theta \text{ and }y = r\sin\theta[/itex]. To go the other way:
[tex]r = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2)} \text{ and }\theta = \arctan (y/x)[/tex].

Polar co-ordinates are useful for graphing relations that are symmetrical about the origin.

In cartesian co-ordinates, the equation for a circle is
[tex]y^2 = R^2 - x^2[/tex]
but in polar co-ordinates it is just much simpler r = R (ie. r is constant).

To describe a straight line in the cartesian plane y = mx+b. In polar co-ordinates, it is not so easy unless it passes through the origin (ie [itex]\theta = constant[/itex]).

As to your particular questions, a) is not an equation. But if rcos(th) = a, (for [itex]-\pi/2 < \theta < \pi/2[/itex]) the graph would be a straight line x = a. Just do the conversion above. For the rest of them, plot a few points for each and see if you can visualize them and try to work them out using the above.

AM
 
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