Pseudo forces and negative acceleration

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The discussion focuses on the application of pseudo forces in analyzing the motion of mass m2 in a system involving a movable pulley. The key equation used is F = ma, where the acceleration of m2 is considered relative to the ground. The participants clarify that if the acceleration a exceeds a0, the assumption of downward acceleration remains valid, as the signs of the forces will adjust accordingly. Ultimately, the derived equation a0 = g/(1+m1/4(1/m2 + 1/m3)) holds true regardless of the direction of acceleration, provided the forces are correctly signed.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


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I already have the solution, however, I have a few questions.
1)In the solution they have taken m2's acceleration relative to the ground to be a0-a downwards.
However, if a>a0, then wouldn't the acceleration relative to the ground end up being being upwards? In that case, how is assuming the acceleration downwards and being equal to a0-a correct?

2) If viewed from the accelerating frame of the movable pulley,

pseudo force upwards = m2a0
therefore, the eq of motion for m2: T-m2g+m2a0 = m2a
=> T-m2g = m2(a-a0)

Why does the pseudo force method lead to an answer that is "biased" towards m2 accelerating upwards relative to the ground? i.e assuming m2 will be accelerating upwards from the ground frame?
 
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Here we have just assumed a>a0. If our assumption is wrong, the acceleration will become negative and tell us that our assumption is opposite to what actually is happening. You can assume m3 to be accelerating upwards, you will get the same answer but with different signs.
 
AbhinavJ said:
Here we have just assumed a>a0. If our assumption is wrong, the acceleration will become negative and tell us that our assumption is opposite to what actually is happening. You can assume m3 to be accelerating upwards, you will get the same answer but with different signs.

The answer in the end comes up to a0 = g/(1+m1/4(1/m2 + 1/m3)). Since a has been eliminated from the equation, would this still be right if a>a0?
 
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EddiePhys said:
The answer in the end comes up to a0 = g/(1+m1/4(1/m2 + 1/m3)). Since a has been eliminated from the equation, would this still be right if a>a0?
Yes! If a and a0 are in the same direction, and we assumed that they are opposite in direction one of them would come out to be negative and correct us. Just put in the signs of the forces correctly.
 

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