Question about Biot-Savart Law (B-field)

[kenok1216]

Homework Statement

I=10A,L=0.5m,a=0.3m,x=0.2m

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

by the Biot-Savart Law
ds cross r=-dxcosθ k(direction k)
dB= μI/4π∫-dxcosθ/r^2
B=μI/4π∫-dxcosθ/r^2 (from ?? to ??) in magnitude
question:
1) what is ?? to ??
2)how dx and r respect to dθ?


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[BvU]

Look up the magnetic field from a current carrying infinitely long straight wire, an application of the BS law.

 

[kenok1216]

Look up the magnetic field from a current carrying infinitely long straight wire, an application of the BS law.

where is the start and end point of integration? 0 to inf?
then change cosθ and r respect to x? also the direction B-field is -k?

 

[BvU]

Are you aware of what you are doing ? What BS entails ? You write dx for an integration in the y direction, you write dB and on the next line B for the same expression on the right. You want to use the Biot Savart Law, which is fine, but somehat over the top: Ampere is already fine here!

where is the start and end point of integration? 0 to inf?

No, $-\infty$ to $\infty$: everywhere where there is a contribution to the B field.

 

[kenok1216]

Are you aware of what you are doing ? What BS entails ? You write dx for an integration in the y direction, you write dB and on the next line B for the same expression on the right. You want to use the Biot Savart Law, which is fine, but somehat over the top: Ampere is already fine here!
No, $-\infty$ to $\infty$: everywhere where there is a contribution to the B field.

OK thx

 

[BvU]

Any idea what $\theta$ is ?

 

[kenok1216]

Any idea what $\theta$ is ?

Yes after check with my lecture notes and

for Magnetic Field for an Infinite Long, Straight Conductor

 

[BvU]

Don't see no $\theta$

Can you derive $B={\mu_0I\over 2\pi a}$ from BS ?

But I spy an $a$ and that's not the $a$ in 'your' problem statement !

 

[kenok1216]

Don't see no $\theta$

Can you derive $B={\mu_0I\over 2\pi a}$ from BS ?

But I spy an $a$ and that's not the $a$ in 'your' problem statement !

θ1=-π/2,θ2=π/2,If the conductor is an infinitely long, straight wire
hence

i think a is r when i used in this question

 

[kenok1216]

can i ask you another question?

using faraday law and lens law
e.m.f=-Nd(flux)/dt
=-200A(dB/dt)
=-200(aL)(dB/dt) how i link dB/dt with velocity dv/dt=5ms^-1?

 

[BvU]

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i think a is r when i used in this question

Reassuring you found it; especially the transition from $dx$ (your $dy$) to $d\theta$ isn't all that trivial.
The end result is Ampere's law for the straight long wire: $B \, 2\pi a = \mu_0 I$.
Good.

And yes, $a=r$.

 

[BvU]

can i ask you another question?
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using faraday law and lens law
e.m.f=-Nd(flux)/dt
=-200A(dB/dt)
=-200(aL)(dB/dt) how i link dB/dt with velocity dv/dt=5ms^-1?

You use the result of part i.
And Flux is not $AB$ but $\int \vec B(r)\cdot d\vec A\ \$ !

 

[kenok1216]

You use the result of part i.
And Flux is not $AB$ but $\int \vec B(r)\cdot d\vec A\ \$ !

i feel confuse that what is the changing time in this question, since v=5ms^-1 with constant velocity,the question just asking the e.m.f at x=0.2m,but at the beginning of the figure ,it alreay in x=0.2m, so how can i cal?

 

[kenok1216]

i feel confuse that what is the changing time in this question, since v=5ms^-1 with constant velocity,the question just asking the e.m.f at x=0.2m,but at the beginning of the figure ,it alreay in x=0.2m, so how can i cal?

 

[BvU]

Do the integral for the flux. Should give you something that depends on x: $\Phi(x)$ . Then ${d\over dt} \Phi = {d\over dx} \Phi \ {dx\over dt} = \Phi' v, \ \$ to be evaluated at x = 0.2

 

[kenok1216]

Do the integral for the flux. Should give you something that depends on x: $\Phi(x)$ . Then ${d\over dt} \Phi = {d\over dx} \Phi \ {dx\over dt} = \Phi' v, \ \$ to be evaluated at x = 0.2

do you mean dr/dt in this case? since B=μI/2πr (dB/dr)(dr/dt)=(dr/dt)(-μI/2πr^2)=5(-μI/2π(0.2)^2) for x=0.2m

 

[BvU]

No. For the flux, r is just an integration variable. $v$ is ${dx\over dt} = 5$ m/s.

 

[kenok1216]

No. For the flux, r is just an integration variable. $v$ is ${dx\over dt} = 5$ m/s.

i know the concept but i do not know how to solve
e.m.f=-Nd/dx(∫B dA) (5) then how can i solve it?

 

[BvU]

Try to work out $\int B \, dA$

Note: e.m.f=-Nd/dt (∫B dA)

 

[kenok1216]

Try to work out $\int B \, dA$

B=

Try to work out $\int B \, dA$

Note: e.m.f=-Nd/dt (∫B dA)

∫B dA=∫μI/2πr^2 dA <----how A line with r dA=2πrdr?

 

[kenok1216]

B=

∫B dA=∫μI/2πr^2 dA <----how A line with r dA=2πrdr?

can you show me some step? i have no idea now...

 

[BvU]

A is the area of the loop over which you want to integrate $\ \ \vec B \cdot \ d\vec A\ \$ (because B is not the same everywhere on A).
Where do you see a $\ \ r\, dA$ ? and where do you see a $\ \ 2\pi r \, dr$ ?