Reference Frames: Understanding Elevator Motion

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding reference frames in the context of an elevator's motion, specifically regarding the tension in a string supporting a load inside the elevator. Participants are exploring the implications of the tension being 10% less than the weight force of the load.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the reference frame of the elevator, considering whether it is inertial or non-inertial. There is a focus on the implications of the tension in the string and how it relates to the acceleration of the elevator. Questions about the meaning of inertial frames and the effects of acceleration on forces are raised.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in their reasoning regarding the elevator being a non-inertial frame and potentially accelerating. Others seek clarification on the definitions and implications of the forces involved, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of Newtonian mechanics and how it might apply or break down in non-inertial frames, as well as the need for clarity on what is meant by 'weight force load' in the context of the problem.

Bostonpancake0
Messages
42
Reaction score
0
someone please help me out with this question:

You are in an elelvator that is able to travel up and down a mineshaft. a load is hung from the ceiling inside the elevator on a massless string. You find that the tension in the rope is 10% less than that of the weight force of the load. what can be said about the elevator?;

1./ it's an inertial reference frame
2./it's a non-inertial refernce frame
3./it's moving up at a constant velocity
4./moving down with a constant velocty
5./must be accelerating

I'm thinking 2./ and 5./ but definitely not sure. Could someone walk me through reference frames in this context and help me understand what is going on?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
your answers are correct. You must have had some basis for choosing those - what was your reasoning? What is meant by an inertial frame?
 
Well I figured that the elevator is a non inertial frame of reference as there must be some kind of acceleration. But if that's so I thought the Newtonian mechanics would break down, and the only thing that could cause tension in the string to be different to the weight load would be a force applied on the rope in the elevator (e.g the load being pulled up or down relative to the elevator). So I thought that the motion of the elevator would have no effect on the string in the elevator
 
Do you understand that when the question mentions 'weight force load' it means what the force would have been had the elevator been stationary?
When an elevator starts to go up, what do you notice about the forces on your legs?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 87 ·
3
Replies
87
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
7K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K