Rolling a cylinder down a slope.

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The problem involves a solid cylinder rolling down a slope and seeks to determine the minimum coefficient of friction required for the cylinder to roll without slipping. The context includes concepts from dynamics and rotational motion.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tangential acceleration and the acceleration of the center of mass, with one participant attempting to derive the coefficient of friction using torque and force equations. Others question the correctness of the moment of inertia used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the moment of inertia and the conditions for rolling without slipping. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical conditions necessary for rolling without slipping.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the moment of inertia for the cylinder, with references to both solid and hollow cylinders. Participants are also addressing the implications of their assumptions about acceleration relationships.

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Homework Statement


A solid cylinder of radius R sits at the top of a slope of angle theta. When it rolls down, what is the minimum coefficient of friction (k) required to make the cylinder roll without slipping?

Homework Equations


Fx: mgsin(theta) - kmgcos(theta) = ma
Torque: kmgRcos(theta) = mR^2 * Alpha

The Attempt at a Solution



In order for the cylinder to roll without slipping, the tangential acceleration at the edge must be twice the acceleration of the center of mass (right?). Therefore, we solve for where Alpha = 2a/R.

From Torque:
kmgRcos(theta) = mR^2 * 2a/R
kgcos(theta) = 2a

Substituting for a from Fx:
kgcos(theta) = 2gsin(theta) - 2kgcos(theta)
k = (2/3)tan(theta)

The book's answer is (1/2)tan(theta).
 
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Oops... I was using the wrong moment of inertia. It won't let me delete the post. Thanks anyway.
 
Actually, I was using the right moment of inertia. It's a hollow cylinder. Ok, so can anyone help me out?
 
EthanB said:
In order for the cylinder to roll without slipping, the tangential acceleration at the edge must be twice the acceleration of the center of mass (right?).
That is incorrect. For rolling without slipping the instantaneous speed of the point of contact of the cylinder with the surface of the incline must be zero (with respect to the surface). Translate that into a mathematical statement so you can apply it.
 

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