Solve Op-amp Basic Problem: Output to Input Ratio

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The discussion revolves around finding the output to input ratio for an op-amp circuit with all resistances equal to "R." Participants emphasize using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to analyze the feedback loop, noting that no current flows into the op-amp's inverting terminal. The user struggles to relate the derived current equations to the output voltage, seeking assistance in establishing this relationship. Suggestions include focusing on KCL for a more intuitive approach and determining the voltage at the inverting input terminal. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding feedback in op-amp circuits for solving the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


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All resistances are "R".

Find the output to input ratio for this Op-amp

Homework Equations


KCL, KVL, Voltage divider.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know no current flows into the Op amp through the inverting terminal so all the current flows into the feedback loop.

I know i can then use KVL and KCL to work out the current equivalencies such as:
KVL around the first loop in the feedbackloop:
(i1*R)-(i2*R) = 0
therefore: i1=i2.

KCL at the frst node in the Feedback loop gives:
i1+i2 = i3.

around the second node gives:
i3+i4 = i5.

KVL around the final loop in the feedback loop gives:
(i4*R) + (i5*R) = 0

But my main problem is trying to relate all this to the output voltage which i can't seem to get an expression for.

Please help
 
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Learnphysics said:

Homework Statement


[PLAIN]http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2389/opamp.png

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All resistances are "R".

Find the output to input ratio for this Op-amp


Homework Equations


KCL, KVL, Voltage divider.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know no current flows into the Op amp through the inverting terminal so all the current flows into the feedback loop.

I know i can then use KVL and KCL to work out the current equivalencies such as:
KVL around the first loop in the feedbackloop:
(i1*R)-(i2*R) = 0
therefore: i1=i2.

KCL at the frst node in the Feedback loop gives:
i1+i2 = i3.

around the second node gives:
i3+i4 = i5.

KVL around the final loop in the feedback loop gives:
(i4*R) + (i5*R) = 0

But my main problem is trying to relate all this to the output voltage which i can't seem to get an expression for.

Please help

I would use the KCL equatinos for this problem -- they are more intuitive for me. Can you try it with KCL? What is the voltage at the "-" input terminal of the opamp?
 
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