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The discussion focuses on calculating the flow rate \(Q\) over a spillway using Bernoulli's and Torricelli's equations. The initial equation proposed for \(Q\) is \(Q = wy\sqrt{2gy}\), but participants explore how to incorporate the average velocity of the fluid over the entire height of the spillway. It is clarified that the height should not simply be \(y\) or \(\frac{y}{2}\), but rather requires integration to account for the varying flow across the height. The correct derivation leads to the final formula \(Q = \frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}\). The conversation concludes with a confirmation of the solution's accuracy.
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Homework Statement


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When the level of water in a reservoir is too high, the water spills out over a spillway,
as illustrated in the figure below

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Neglecting viscosity, show that the water flow ##Q## over the spillway is given by
$$Q=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}$$

Homework Equations


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Bernoulli's Equation: ##P_1+\rho gh_1+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_1^2=P_2+\rho gh_2+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_2^2##
Torricelli's Equation: ##v=\sqrt{2gh}##

The Attempt at a Solution



##Q=Av=(wy)(\sqrt{2gy})=w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

I am not sure how to get ##\frac{2}{3}## in this equation as indicated by the answer. I feel that I am oversimplifying this by assuming the height in Torricelli's equation is just ##y## when it should account for flow over an area as opposed to a point. Would this mean the height is ##\frac{y}{2}## to get the average velocity of the fluid?
 
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kubaanglin said:
it should account for flow over an area as opposed to a point.
Yes. The consequence for the total flow varies as the height above the spillway increases from0 to y.
kubaanglin said:
Would this mean the height is ##\frac{y}{2}## to get the average velocity of the fluid?
No, that's still too simplistic. Consider a thin horizontal slice from x to x+dx above the spillway. What is the flow due to that?
 
Oh, that makes sense.

##Q=Av=(wy)\int_0^y (\sqrt{2gy})=(wy\sqrt{2g})\int_0^y \sqrt{y}=(wy\sqrt{2g})(\frac{\sqrt{y^3}}{\frac{3}{2}})=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

Thank you!
 
kubaanglin said:
Oh, that makes sense.

##Q=Av=(wy)\int_0^y (\sqrt{2gy})=(wy\sqrt{2g})\int_0^y \sqrt{y}=(wy\sqrt{2g})(\frac{\sqrt{y^3}}{\frac{3}{2}})=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

Thank you!
Good job.
 
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