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The discussion revolves around calculating the flow rate \( Q \) of water over a spillway using Bernoulli's and Torricelli's equations. The original poster presents an equation for \( Q \) and seeks clarification on the derivation, particularly regarding the factor of \( \frac{2}{3} \) in the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the flow rate \( Q \) and questions whether the height used in Torricelli's equation should be adjusted to account for the flow over an area rather than a point. Some participants suggest considering the flow contributions from different heights above the spillway.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various interpretations of the height in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider flow from different heights, and the original poster expresses understanding of the reasoning presented.

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The discussion involves assumptions about fluid flow and the application of equations under specific conditions, such as neglecting viscosity. There is an ongoing exploration of how to accurately represent the average velocity of fluid flow over the spillway.

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Homework Statement


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When the level of water in a reservoir is too high, the water spills out over a spillway,
as illustrated in the figure below

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Neglecting viscosity, show that the water flow ##Q## over the spillway is given by
$$Q=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}$$

Homework Equations


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Bernoulli's Equation: ##P_1+\rho gh_1+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_1^2=P_2+\rho gh_2+\frac{1}{2}\rho v_2^2##
Torricelli's Equation: ##v=\sqrt{2gh}##

The Attempt at a Solution



##Q=Av=(wy)(\sqrt{2gy})=w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

I am not sure how to get ##\frac{2}{3}## in this equation as indicated by the answer. I feel that I am oversimplifying this by assuming the height in Torricelli's equation is just ##y## when it should account for flow over an area as opposed to a point. Would this mean the height is ##\frac{y}{2}## to get the average velocity of the fluid?
 
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kubaanglin said:
it should account for flow over an area as opposed to a point.
Yes. The consequence for the total flow varies as the height above the spillway increases from0 to y.
kubaanglin said:
Would this mean the height is ##\frac{y}{2}## to get the average velocity of the fluid?
No, that's still too simplistic. Consider a thin horizontal slice from x to x+dx above the spillway. What is the flow due to that?
 
Oh, that makes sense.

##Q=Av=(wy)\int_0^y (\sqrt{2gy})=(wy\sqrt{2g})\int_0^y \sqrt{y}=(wy\sqrt{2g})(\frac{\sqrt{y^3}}{\frac{3}{2}})=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

Thank you!
 
kubaanglin said:
Oh, that makes sense.

##Q=Av=(wy)\int_0^y (\sqrt{2gy})=(wy\sqrt{2g})\int_0^y \sqrt{y}=(wy\sqrt{2g})(\frac{\sqrt{y^3}}{\frac{3}{2}})=\frac{2}{3}w\sqrt{2gy^3}##

Thank you!
Good job.
 

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