Thermal expansion of a rod with variable alpha

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The discussion focuses on calculating the thermal expansion of a rod with a temperature-dependent coefficient of linear expansion, given by α = 1/T. Participants clarify that the correct approach involves integrating the expression for length change, leading to the conclusion that the length increment when the rod is heated from 300K to 600K is 3 meters. There is confusion about the substitution of values in the equations, particularly regarding the factor of 2 in the expression for α. Ultimately, the correct integration confirms that the increase in length is indeed 3 meters, resolving the initial discrepancies in calculations. The problem is marked as solved after reaching a consensus on the solution method.
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Homework Statement


The coefficient of linear expansion of a rod of length 1 meter (at 300K) varies with temperature as ##\alpha=\frac{1}{T}##, where T is the temperature. Find the increment in length when the rod is heated from 300K to 600K

Homework Equations


$$\Delta L=L\alpha \Delta T$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I considered a small element of length ##dl## at a distance of ##l## from one end.
Let the elements length increase by ##dx##.
$$dx=dl\frac{2}{T}dT$$
How will I integrate the above expression
 
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Titan97 said:
dx=dl(2/T)dT
That does not balance in terms of infinitesimals. You can't equate one to a product of two.
There's no need to consider an element of length, the whole rod will expand in the same proportion.
Also, I didn't understand where the 2 came from. Should that be an alpha?
 
I put the value of alpha. How can directly use ##\Delta L =L\alpha z
\Delta T## when alpha varies with temperature? Shouldn't I integrate?

Also, if I take a length ##l##, it will expand by ##dl=dl\frac{2}{T}dT##.
Integrating, I got the answer as ##2\ln 2##. But answer given is ##3##.
 
Titan97 said:
I put the value of alpha. How can directly use ##\Delta L =L\alpha z
\Delta T## when alpha varies with temperature? Shouldn't I integrate?

Also, if I take a length ##l##, it will expand by ##dl=dl\frac{2}{T}dT##.
Integrating, I got the answer as ##2\ln 2##. But answer given is ##3##.
According to your original post, alpha is 1/T, but you seem to have substituted 2/T. From the given answer, 2/T is correct.
If you take L as the whole length, the increase in length, dL, equals LαdT, not dLαdT.
Please post your steps from there.
 
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Titan97: In terms of differential changes in length and temperature, the correct equation should read ##dL=\alpha L dT##. In fact, this is the truly correct equation, and the equation ##\Delta L=\alpha L \Delta T## is only an approximation.

By the way, did you mean in your original post that ##\alpha=1/T##, or did you mean ##\alpha = 2/T##?
 
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OK. So $dL=L\alpha dT$
$$\int_L^{L+\delta L}\frac{dL}{L}=\int_{T_1}^{T_2}\frac{2}{T}dT$$
$$\ln\frac{L+\delta L}{L}=2\ln\frac{T_2}{T_1}$$
 
Titan97 said:
OK. So $dL=L\alpha dT$
$$\int_L^{L+\delta L}\frac{dL}{L}=\int_{T_1}^{T_2}\frac{2}{T}dT$$
$$\ln\frac{L+\delta L}{L}=2\ln\frac{T_2}{T_1}$$
This is the same thing as $$\frac{L+\delta L}{L}=\left(\frac{T_2}{T_1}\right)^2$$
Can you see that?
 
Titan97 said:
OK. So $dL=L\alpha dT$
$$\int_L^{L+\delta L}\frac{dL}{L}=\int_{T_1}^{T_2}\frac{2}{T}dT$$
$$\ln\frac{L+\delta L}{L}=2\ln\frac{T_2}{T_1}$$
Right. How to get rid of the logs?
 
@haruspex I got the same expression as @Chestermiller 's post #7.
$$\ln(x)=2\ln(y)$$
$$\ln(x)=\ln(y^2)$$
$$x=y^2$$
$$1+\frac{\delta L}{L}=(\frac{T_2}{T_1})^2$$
##T_2/T_1=2##
$$1+\frac{\delta L}{L}=4$$
$$\frac{\delta L}{L}=3$$
Since ##L=1\text{m}##
$$\delta L=3\text{m}$$
 
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Great. Please mark as solved!
 
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@haruspex I was going to mark it as solved today. But someone did that for me. I have also seen that some people can mark questions unsolved even if OP marked it as solved.
 
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Titan97 said:
@haruspex I was going to mark it as solved today. But someone did that for me. I have also seen that some people can mark questions unsolved even if OP marked it as solved.
Yes. I had marked it solved.
 
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