[Thermodynamics] Heat Capacity for Polytropic Process

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the specific heat for a polytropic process involving an ideal gas, represented by the equation ##C_n = C_v \frac{\gamma - n}{1 - n}##. Participants explore the implications of different values of the polytropic index ##n##, including isobaric, isothermal, and isochoric processes, and engage in mathematical reasoning related to the first law of thermodynamics.

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  • One participant presents the equation for specific heat in a polytropic process and discusses its reduction to known values for specific cases of ##n##.
  • Another participant confirms that the inquiry is not a homework problem and attempts a derivation using the first law of thermodynamics, introducing a different notation for the polytropic index.
  • A third participant acknowledges the correctness of the last equation from the previous post but expresses confusion over the derivation due to notational issues, providing their own expressions for work done in the process.
  • They also derive a relationship between work done and temperature changes, leading to a proposed relationship for ##C_\alpha##.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process, as there are differing notations and approaches presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and correctness of the derivations.

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There are limitations in notation and assumptions made during the derivations, which may affect clarity and understanding. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the polytropic process.

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Consider an ideal gas. For a polytropic process we have ##PV^n = const##. Different values of ##n## will represent different processes; for example isobaric (##n=0##), isothermal (##n=1##), and isochoric (##n=\infty##).

The Wikipedia article on polytropic processes states that the specific heat for a polytropic process is given by
##C_n = C_v \frac{\gamma - n}{1 - n}## where ##\gamma = \frac{C_P}{C_v}##

We can see that this expression for ##C_n## reduces to what we expect for the different values of n..
For example if ##n = 0## (isobaric) we have ##C_0 = C_v \frac{\gamma}{1} = C_v \frac{C_P}{C_v} = C_P##.

How is the equation ##C_n = C_v \frac{\gamma - n}{1 - n}## derived?
 
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Consider an ideal gas. For a polytropic process we have ##PV^n = const##. Different values of ##n## will represent different processes; for example isobaric (##n=0##), isothermal (##n=1##), and isochoric (##n=\infty##).

The Wikipedia article on polytropic processes states that the specific heat for a polytropic process is given by
##C_n = C_v \frac{\gamma - n}{1 - n}## where ##\gamma = \frac{C_P}{C_v}##

We can see that this expression for ##C_n## reduces to what we expect for the different values of n..
For example if ##n = 0## (isobaric) we have ##C_0 = C_v \frac{\gamma}{1} = C_v \frac{C_P}{C_v} = C_P##.

How is the equation ##C_n = C_v \frac{\gamma - n}{1 - n}## derived?
I can help you with the derivation of this equation. But, before I do, please confirm that this is not a homework problem (or re-introduce it in one of the homework forums).
 
It's not a homework problem.
I had an attempt at it and this is what I got: (I used ##\alpha## as the polytropic index instead of ##n##)

Using: ##\delta Q = nC_\alpha dT## and ##dU = nC_vdT##
$$
\delta Q = dU + \delta W \\
nC_\alpha dT = nC_vdT + PdV \\
nC_\alpha \triangle T = nC_v\triangle T + \int \frac {PV^\alpha}{V^\alpha}dV \\
nC_\alpha \triangle T = nC_v\triangle T + PV^\alpha\int \frac {1}{V^\alpha}dV \\
nC_\alpha \triangle T = nC_v\triangle T + PV^\alpha\int \frac {1}{V^\alpha}dV \\
nC_\alpha \triangle T = nC_v\triangle T + PV^\alpha \frac{1}{-\alpha + 1}V^{-\alpha + 1} \\
nC_\alpha \triangle T = nC_v\triangle T + PV \frac{1}{-\alpha + 1} \\
C_\alpha = C_v + \frac{PV}{n\triangle T} \frac{1}{-\alpha + 1} \\
C_\alpha = C_v + \frac{R}{1 - \alpha} \\
$$
 
It looks like you had the right idea, and your last equation is correct, but I'm not able to understand how you got to that point because of notational issues. For the work W, I got:

W=-\frac{P_iV_i}{(\alpha -1)}\left[\left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\alpha -1}-1\right]=-\frac{nRT_i}{(\alpha -1)}\left[\left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\alpha -1}-1\right]

Also, by combining the ideal gas law with the polytropic equation, I get:

\left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\alpha -1}=\frac{T_f}{T_i}

Combining these two equations, I get:
W=-\frac{nR}{(\alpha -1)}(T_f-T_i)

Substituting this into the first law gives:

nC_{\alpha}\Delta T=nC_v\Delta T-\frac{nR\Delta T}{\alpha -1}

Cancel the n and the delta T from both sides, reduce the right hand side to a common denominator, and factor the Cv from the right side, and you obtain the desired relationship.

Chet
 

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