Transverse Wave Velocity/Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity and acceleration of a transverse wave on a stretched cord at a specific time and position. The wave parameters include a frequency of 270 Hz, an amplitude of 2.4 cm, a tension of 90 N, and a linear density of 0.08 kg/m. Initial calculations for wave velocity, wavelength, wave number, and angular frequency were performed, leading to a derived equation for the wave's displacement. Discrepancies in the calculated velocity and acceleration were attributed to rounding errors and the sensitivity of the cosine function to changes in its argument. Ultimately, maintaining precision in calculations resolved the issues, confirming the correctness of the theoretical approach.
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Homework Statement


The left-hand end of a long horizontal stretched cord oscillates transversely in SHM with frequency 270 Hz and amplitude 2.4 cm . The cord is under a tension of 90 N and has a linear density 0.08 kg/m . At t=0, the end of the cord has an upward displacement of 2.1 cm and is falling. Consider the point x = 1.30 m on the cord.
(solved A and B)
C. What is its velocity at t = 2.2 s ?
D. What is its acceleration at t = 2.2 s ?

Homework Equations


wave velocity v = √(T / μ)
wavelength λ = v/f
wave number k = 2π/λ
ω= 2πf
D(x,t) = Asin( kx - ωt + ∅) for transverse wave traveling to the right
Velocity = -Aωcos(kx - ωt + ∅)
Acceleration = -Aω*ωsin( kx - ωt + ∅)

The Attempt at a Solution



v = √(T / μ) = √(90/0.08) = 33.54 m/s (rounds to 34 m/s)
λ = v/f = 33.541/ 270 = 0.1242 m
k = 2π/λ = 2π/0.1242 = 50.578 1/m (rounds to 51 1/m)
ω= 2πf = 2π*270 = 1696 1/s (rounds to 1700 1/s)

Plugging things in, D(x,t) = 0.024 sin(51x -1700t + ∅)

(Therefore, part A max velocity is Aω = 0.024 m * 1700 1/s = 40.8 m/s (rounds to 41 m/s)
(Therefore, part B max acceleration is Aω*ω = 0.024*1700*1700 = 69360 m/s^2 (rounds 6.9 *10^4 m/s^2 )

At time t=0, amplitude is 0.021 m, so 0.021 = 0.024 sin(∅), ∅ = 1.06

Full equation: D(x,t) = 0.024 sin(51x -1700t + 1.06)
Velocity (1.30 m, 2.2 s) = -0.024*1700 cos(51*1.3 - 1700(2.2) + 1.06) = 40 m/s
Acceleration (1.30 m, 2.2 s) = -0.024*1700*1700 sin(51*1.3 - 1700(2.2) + 1.06)

Mastering physics says this is wrong (I also tried 41 m/s, thinking maybe there were rounding errors). Given that I got parts A and B correct, I can assume my A and ω are correct, but I can't find anything wrong with my k or ∅. The units work, it's a reasonable order of magnitude given the derived max velocity. I tried entering the equations with the values in terms of their formulas in wolfram alpha, and still wrong! I can't figure out what's wrong! I haven't tried entering my acceleration because my velocity is wrong.
 
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Looks like you plugged in x = 1.03 m instead of 1.30 m.
 
I wish! That's actually just an error in transcribing my work... Edited now, thanks
 
With x = 1.30 m I do not get your answer for v.
 
TSny said:
With x = 1.30 m I do not get your answer for v.

Yeah, that's where the 40.5 m/s (rounded to 41 m/s) comes in, using wolfram alpha. Are you getting something other than that?
 
It does seem to be differences in rounding the numbers. If I keep several extra digits in k, ω, and Φ, I get v to be about 27 m/s. It's peculiar that rounding makes this much difference.
 
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TSny said:
It does seem to be differences in rounding the numbers. If I keep several extra digits in k, ω, and Φ, I get v to be about 27 m/s. It's peculiar that rounding makes this much difference.

Well that does seem to be the correct answer. How bizarre. Thanks much! Could I ask how many you kept, such that acceleration will be correct?
 
I let Mathematica do the calculations. It keeps quite a lot of digits! But it looks like things settle down if you keep about 6 digits.
 
TSny said:
I let Mathematica do the calculations. It keeps quite a lot of digits! But it looks like things settle down if you keep about 6 digits.

Thank you very much! All correct now. At least my theory was right, I guess...
 
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It seems the peculiar behavior is due to the fact that for t = 2.2 s and x = 1.3 m, the argument of the cosine function for the velocity is quite large, about 3665 radians. A 0.1 % change in this argument amounts to almost 4 radians. Thus, the cosine will change a lot with just a small percent change in the argument.
 
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sbuzsaki said:
At least my theory was right, I guess...
Yes, your work looks good.
 

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