Trouble writing Net ionic equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on writing net ionic equations, specifically addressing the dissolution of carbon dioxide in water and the reaction of ammonia gas with oxygen gas. Participants explore the identification of ions involved in these reactions and the conditions under which net ionic equations are applicable.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a C+4 ion exists or if a carbonate ion should be used when carbon dioxide dissolves in water.
  • Another participant suggests using hydrogen carbonate for the dissolution of carbon dioxide.
  • Regarding the reaction of ammonia with oxygen, one participant notes that there are no ions present, only the overall reaction.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to determine the presence of ions in reactions and whether it requires practice or a systematic approach.
  • Another participant explains that net ionic equations are typically associated with reactions in aqueous solutions and suggests reading relevant texts for a better understanding.
  • This participant also mentions that they have not encountered net ionic equations in reactions outside of aqueous solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of ions in the reactions discussed, and there is no consensus on how to determine the ions involved or the applicability of net ionic equations to different types of reactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for a general understanding of net ionic equations and the specific conditions under which they apply, particularly in aqueous solutions. There is mention of the need to consult texts for further clarification on acidic oxides and related concepts.

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having a little trouble writing net ionic equations:

1. the equation when you dissolve C02 (carbon dioxide) in water. I can't figure out the ions because is there such a thing as a C+4 ion? or do you use a carbonate ion?

2. the net ionic equation when ammonia gas reacts with oxygen gas when heated to make nitrogen monoxide and water vapor. i believe the overall equation is:

NH3 + O2 --> NO + H2O

but again, i cannot find any ions. can someone help me out on these quesitons? thanks.
 
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1. Go for hydrogen carbonate.

2. No ions, only overall reaction.
 
ok then how do you know when there are ions and there are not?

and how do you know which ions there will be? does it just take practice and recognition or is there an actual way to determine the ions?
 
net ionic equations are associated with reactions in aqueous solutions you'll need to read the text to obtain a general understanding of how to write net ionic equations (considering covalent reactions, precipitation reactions, other reactions that occur in aqueous solutions etc), I haven't encoutered a net ionic equation application to other types of reactions. For your first problem, you'll need to read up on acidic oxides, try searching the term in the index of your text

...I for one, don't have the time to give an entire tutorial on the subject although others here might be generous enough to do so. But again, you'll want to consider net ionic equations when dealing with reactions in water solvent.
 

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