Using relative motion (2D) to get rain speed & direction when running

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The discussion focuses on solving a relative motion problem involving a person moving eastward and observing rain. Initially, the person perceives rain as falling vertically, but upon doubling their speed, the rain appears at a 30° angle. The correct calculations reveal that the actual speed of the rain (VR) is 2v, and the angle (θ) should be 30°. The participant struggles with vector notation and the correct application of trigonometric identities, leading to confusion in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A person moving towards east with a speed 'v' observes the rain to be falling vertically downwards. When he doubles his speed, the rain appears to come at 30° angle with the vertical. Find the actual speed and direction of rain with vertical.


Homework Equations


Velocity of A with respect to B = Velocity of A – Velocity of B
(VAB = VAVB)


The Attempt at a Solution


Let the actual speed of rain be VR. Let the person's speed be represented by VP.
Using [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex]-[itex]\widehat{j}[/itex]-[itex]\widehat{k}[/itex] notation for vectors, VP = v [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex]

VR = VRsinθ [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] – VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex]

VRP = VRVP
VRP = VRsinθ [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] – VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex] – v [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] = (VRsinθ – v) [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] –VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex]

∵ Rain is vertically downwards, ∴ (VRsinθ – v) [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] = 0

So, VRsinθ = v

Now, let VP be 2v [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex].

VRP = VRVP
= +VRsinθ [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] –VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex] –2v [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex]
= (+VRsinθ –2v) [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] –VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex]
= –v [itex]\widehat{i}[/itex] –vtanθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex]

Now [itex]\frac{-v}{-vtan\theta}[/itex] = tan30° = √3̅

∴ tanθ = [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}[/itex]

∴ θ = 60°.

VR = [itex]\frac{2v}{\sqrt{3}}[/itex].


Both these answers are wrong, and I don't know how or why. I'm in Class 11. The correct answers should be θ = 30° and ∴ VR = 2v. What am I missing here?
 
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tan 30° is not the square root of 3.

It is confusing that you use the same symbol for vectors and scalar quantities.
 
Two mistakes

Sorry, I made another mistake. Though you're right, sin30° = [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}[/itex], I made another mistake: -VRcosθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex] ≠ -vtanθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex], but, = -vcotθ [itex]\widehat{j}[/itex].

So still, θ = 60°. Why is it so? (I know my answer's wrong, but I don't know why.)
 

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