Very simple vector question (solid state)

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the calculation of the carbon-carbon bond length in graphene, a 2D crystal structure defined by specific lattice vectors and angles. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the derivation of the bond length formula involving vector magnitudes and trigonometric functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of vector magnitudes and the application of the scalar product. There are questions regarding the correct formulation of the bond length and the use of trigonometric identities in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the geometric interpretation of the problem, suggesting the use of triangles and the cosine rule. There is an ongoing exploration of different formulations and approaches to understanding the relationship between the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific angles and lengths defined in the problem, such as the angle between the lattice vectors being 60° and the magnitudes of the vectors being 2.46 Å. There is also mention of assumptions regarding the geometry of the crystal structure.

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Homework Statement
Graphene is a 2D crystal made entirely of carbon atoms. The crystal lattice can defined by the lattice vectors a and b, where the magnitudes |a|=|b|= 2.46 Å and the angle between the lattice vectors is 60°. The crystal has a basis of two carbon atoms, where the basis vectors are r1 = 0 and r2 = a/3 + b/3.

Sketch the unit cell of the crystal structure of graphene and calculate the carbon- carbon bond length (in Å).
Relevant Equations
Bond length = |r2|
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Somewhat embarrassingly as a third year undergrad, this question has been completely stumping me for far too long now (2 hours). The solution is 1.42 Å and the working is given as

|r2| = 2cos(30)*1/3(2.46)

or alternatively

|r2| = (1/2|a|)/cos(30)

But I cannot grasp where this comes from. Please someone put me out of my misery :sorry:
 
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Phys128 said:
Problem Statement: Graphene is a 2D crystal made entirely of carbon atoms. The crystal lattice can defined by the lattice vectors a and b, where the magnitudes |a|=|b|= 2.46 Å and the angle between the lattice vectors is 60°. The crystal has a basis of two carbon atoms, where the basis vectors are r1 = 0 and r2 = a/3 + b/3.

Sketch the unit cell of the crystal structure of graphene and calculate the carbon- carbon bond length (in Å).
Relevant Equations: Bond length = |r2|

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Somewhat embarrassingly as a third year undergrad, this question has been completely stumping me for far too long now (2 hours). The solution is 1.42 Å and the working is given as

|r2| = 2cos(30)*1/3(2.46)

or alternatively

|r2| = (1/2|a|)/cos(30)

But I cannot grasp where this comes from. Please someone put me out of my misery :sorry:
You need the magnitude of the vector ##\vec r_2##. How is the magnitude of a vector defined, using scalar product?
 
ehild said:
You need the magnitude of the vector ##\vec r_2##. How is the magnitude of a vector defined, using scalar product?

|r2| = |a||b|cosx but then should that not be [(2.46/3)^2]cos(30) rather than 2(2.46/3)cos30?
 
Phys128 said:
|r2| = |a||b|cosx but then should that not be [(2.46/3)^2]cos(30) rather than 2(2.46/3)cos30?

No, your formula would givse the scalar product of two vectors a and b, inclined at angle x.
The magnitude of a vector is defined as the square root of its scalar product by itself.
Or you can use the cosine rule to calculate the length of r2, but remember, the angle between a and b is 60°.
 
The comments of @ehild are great.

The following is not much different than her comments. But, maybe it will be helpful.
Phys128 said:
The solution is 1.42 Å and the working is given as

|r2| = 2cos(30)*1/3(2.46)
In order to see this, consider an isosceles triangle as shown:
P1.png

Show that ##z = 2x\cos\theta##. Apply this to your situation.
or alternatively

|r2| = (1/2|a|)/cos(30)

To see this way of expressing it, consider the right triangle shown in the figure below:
P2.png

Show that the horizontal leg of the triangle has length ##a/2## as indicated. Once you have that, the result follows quickly.
 

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