What are the Metal Fin-Like Structures on LED Bulbs?

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The discussion revolves around the purpose of the metal fin-like structures found on LED bulbs, specifically addressing whether they function as heat sinks and the implications of heat management in LED technology compared to incandescent bulbs.

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  • Some participants suggest that the metal fins are indeed heat sinks, necessary for cooling LEDs due to their sensitivity to high temperatures, which can reduce light output and affect longevity.
  • Others argue that conventional incandescent bulbs do not require heat sinks because their design allows for heat retention, which is essential for their operation.
  • One participant explains that while LEDs convert more electrical energy to light than incandescent bulbs, they still produce heat that must be dissipated to prevent damage, thus necessitating cooling mechanisms like fins.
  • Another participant notes that the thermal management in incandescent bulbs relies on thermal radiation rather than non-radiative heat sinks, questioning the necessity of heat sinks in LED designs.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and function of heat sinks in LED bulbs compared to incandescent bulbs. There is no consensus on the role of the fins, with some supporting their importance for cooling while others challenge the need for such mechanisms.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the efficiency of light production and heat management in different bulb technologies, as well as the implications of altitude on heat dissipation for LEDs.

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anyone know what the metal fin-like structures are?

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i see these on a lot of LED bulbs. they look like heat sinks but if conventional bulbs don't need heat sinks why would an LED bulb need one? besides! i thought the conductivity of semiconductors was proportional to temp.
 
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A conventional bulb is little more than a hot wire in a glass tube. It is not sensitive to heat. They have almost no similarities to an LED except that they both produce light.
 
The fins are for cooling, higher temperatures are a problem because;

1. LED light output is reduced.
2. The lifetime of LEDs is determined by diffusion within the semiconductor.

So better cooling has a double advantage.
 
These are cooling fins. The link in this phys forum about "How do LEDs get old" shows the reasons why cooling matter.
 
In the case of an incandescent lamp, temperature of the filament is everything. It needs to run hot in order to produce light. Keeping the heat energy produced by a current running through a resistance is desirable since the more energy retained, the less power needed to heat the filament to its desired temperature (around 2500 K depending on the lamp). There does need to be a heat loss mechanism however to stabilize the filament temperature. Otherwise, its temperature would continue to rise as more electrical power is dissipated, and at some point, it would melt. A bulb with a partial vacuum serves this purpose, plus it prevents oxygen from reaching the hot filament which would destroy it through oxidation.

In the case of an LED, somewhat more of the electrical energy goes to visible light than with an incandescent device, however, there is still a portion which transforms to heat. Heat is detrimental and not at all desirable for an LED so there needs to be a means to get rid of as much of it as possible, hence the fins. To produce an equal number of lumens (i.e., light) as an incandescent, the LED requires less power, but it is not 100% efficient at converting that to light, so a cooling mechanism is always needed. For small, instrument type LEDs (with milliwatts of power), just the package accomplishes this, but for lighting LEDs where watts are involved, it has to be facilitated with a heat sink which can transfer the heat to the surrounding air. At high altitudes (or in a vacuum) this transfer may not be as efficient, and if some other means of cooling is not provided, LEDs can self-destruct.
 
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RBTO said:
There does need to be a heat loss mechanism however to stabilize the filament temperature. Otherwise, its temperature would continue to rise as more electrical power is dissipated, and at some point, it would melt. A bulb with a partial vacuum serves this purpose…
You misunderstand why vacuum bulbs came out of fashion. You don’t need any non-radiative heat sink to maintain equilibrium; thermal radiation is sufficient for it. Vacuum has another disadvantage: it permits tungsten to evaporate too quickly.
 
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