Why does the pressure of a fluid in motion change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the changes in static pressure of a fluid in motion, particularly in the context of fluid mechanics and aerodynamics. Participants explore the microscopic behavior of fluid molecules during acceleration and how this relates to pressure, density, and temperature changes within the fluid parcel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a microscopic understanding of fluid behavior during acceleration and questions how molecular motion affects flow properties.
  • Another participant suggests that pressure is related to the conserved momentum force on vessel walls, noting that increased mass flux leads to diminished resultant pressure perpendicular to the wall.
  • A participant reflects on the average velocity of fluid molecules and its impact on pressure felt at a wall, considering the effects of motion on the number of molecules impacting the wall.
  • Another participant clarifies that the static pressure of a moving fluid parcel is not necessarily lower than that of a stationary one, referencing Bernoulli's principle and the conditions under which it applies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between fluid motion and static pressure, with some suggesting that pressure decreases with motion while others argue that this is not a universal truth. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding fluid behavior, particularly concerning the applicability of Bernoulli's equation and the conditions under which energy addition may occur in a fluid parcel.

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Hi everyone,

I'm new here and I have a question to all the physicists out here in the forum.

I'm an aerospace engineering student and there is something that has been bothering me for
quite a while.

That is: Why does the static pressure of a fluid in motion change?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a newbie in the area of fluid mechanics, aerodynamics and CFD.
I would say that I understand the principles of fluid flow and the laws governing fluid
motion pretty well. But what is really happening with the fluid when it accelerates and why
does the pressure, density and temperature change as a result?

So I need a microscopic view of the physics that's going on in a moving fluid parcel. I
attached a sketch of two fluid parcels. One standing still and the other accelerating. By
applying the equation of motion to the moving parcel I was able to derive the Bernoulli
equation and well, of course the pressure changes when the fluid is accelerating. The
pressure is the engine of fluid flow.

fluid parcels.png


But how exactly do the single molecules in this parcel behave during the acceleration and
how does their motion contribute to changes of the flow properties?
Is the parcel streched by different speeds on its boundaries?

If you already know the answer then go for it and make me life easier :)
Thanks!

If you want to read about my crazy theories then keep on reading.
Here are my theories about what's going on in the fluid:

First of all of course the static pressure is the pressure that can be measured at a wall
normal to the stream or if the fluid is enclosed in a container the static pressure can be
felt on every wall. The pressure is induced by the single molecules that hit the wall.

So now I thought, that when a fluid starts to move the random motion of the molecules is
straightened and the velocity component of the molecules normal to the wall is decreased,
which results in a weaker impulse and hence a decreased static pressure at the wall. But
still this model is not really satisfying ...

Maybe at the same time the observed fluid parcel streches and simultaniously its height
decreases, just as a strip of metal would do under tension. So in total the volume would
increase which contributes to less pressure and density. However in an incompressible fluid
the height would just decrease so much so that the volume stays constant and so does the
density. But what's happening with the pressure?

Well, my thoughts are pretty incomplete...I think if you have read this post till the end you can understand how desperatly I'm
searching for a solution.

I would really appreciate your help!

Cheers!
 
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Pressure is the conserved momentum force on the vessel wall. As the mass flux increases, the resultant perpendicular to the vessel wall diminishes.
 
Hi Doug,

thanks for replying!

Ok, so my initial thoughts were not too far off of what's happening.

So the velocity v of a fluid parcel would then be the average velocity of all the molecules together, right? Which means that if my fluid parcel is moving parallel to a wall less molecules will hit the wall, hence a lower pressure will be felt at the wall. Unfourtunately this is not fully satisfying me.

Let's say I am in the middle of a fluid parcel that stands still. Since molecules will hit me I will feel the static pressure. But what pressure will I feel if the parcel and I start to move with a velocity v?
I'm thinking about the resultant velocity of these molecules as the sum of an average velocity component and a fluctuating part, just as the Reynolds decomposition suggests it for turbulent flow. Is the fluctuating velocity component, which is the random motion of the molecules, still the same as before when the parcel was not moving? Or is this part reduced which would correspond to less molecules that hit me and hence a lower static pressure in the middle of the parcel?

I hope you can somehow understand what I mean...

Thanks!
 
The static pressure of a moving parcel of fluid is not necessarily lower than the pressure of a stationary one. Bernoulli's relation is often misunderstood - it says that for an incompressible, inviscid flow, the total pressure 1/2ρV2+P is constant along a streamline as long as there is no energy addition or loss. If you accelerate a parcel of fluid, there could be energy addition, which means that this may not be valid.
 

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