Wind pressure force for complex profiles ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating wind pressure forces on complex 3D shapes, particularly those tilted at angles such as 45 degrees. Participants explore standards, methodologies, and the need for more sophisticated approaches beyond basic calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for serious work related to wind pressure force calculations for various 3D shapes affected by wind from different angles.
  • Another participant mentions ISO 4302 as a standard for simple calculations and suggests that simulations may be necessary for more complex scenarios.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of "full force" versus "force in the direction of the wind," indicating a need for comprehensive understanding of wind load calculations.
  • A participant cites a formula for wind load calculations, emphasizing that the force coefficient is typically considered in the direction of the wind.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the force coefficient, which is calculated for face-on load, and a modified equation is introduced to account for wind at an angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of existing standards and calculations, with some advocating for simulations and others focusing on established formulas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate wind pressure forces for complex profiles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in existing standards, particularly regarding the treatment of wind direction and the need for more comprehensive models to account for various angles and shapes.

Aleksej
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How to calculate the force of wind pressure, for example for the surface tilted at 45 degrees?

I need to find some serious work related to the wind pressure force calculated for different 3D shapes affected by wind from different angles.

Can somebody recommend me the good names, keywords and sites for this?
 
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There are some standards that are based on simple calculations, for instance ISO 4302. If you need something more sofisticated, I don't know if there are other ways of doing it than simulations.

I guess that "wind load" is the keyword here.
 
Thank you very much, I will try to use it but they consider "force in the direction of the wind", I need more something like full force.
 
Aleksej said:
Thank you very much, I will try to use it but they consider "force in the direction of the wind", I need more something like full force.
If you're talking about the ISO standard, they are considering full force. That's the point of the exercise: figuring out the maximum load on a structure in order to design it such that it can resist in strong winds.
 
You see what they write:

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4 Wind load calculations

For most complete and part structures, and individual members used in crane structures, the wind load, F, in kiloNewtons, is calculated from the formula

F = A * p * Cf

A is the effective frontal area of the part under consideration, in square metres, i.e. the solid area projection on to a plane perpendicular to the wind direction;

p is the wind pressure corresponding to appropriate design condition, in kiloNewtons per square metre;

Cf is the force coefficient in the direction of the wind, for the part under consideration (see clause 5).

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Their coefficient is "in the direction of the wind".
 
Aleksej said:
Their coefficient is "in the direction of the wind".
Yes, the force coefficient, which depends on the geometry of the beams, is calculated for face-on load. Then, in section 5.4, the equation is modified to take into account wind at an angle:
$$
F = A p C_\mathrm{f} \sin^2 \theta
$$
 

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