Implicit Definition and 520 Threads

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    Implicit Differentiation: Finding dy/dx for a Given Equation

    Homework Statement Implicit Differentiation: I Was given the equation find dy/dx: (3x3y2 + 7x) (x2y3 + 3xy)- The Attempt at a Solution Ok, i know i have to use the product rule on top, and on bottom and the quotient rule for the fraction so... if i set s = 3x3 t = y2 u = (3x3y2 +...
  2. L

    Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx [Answer check]

    Use implicit differentiation to find \frac{dy}{dx} for xy^{2} – yx^{2} = 3xy i've answered the question but i think I'm doing it wrong any help is appreciated! x(2y)\frac{dy}{dx} – y(2x) = 3xy 2xy \frac{dy}{dx} – 2yx = 3xy 2xy\frac{dy}{dx} = 5xy \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{5xy}{2xy}...
  3. J

    Implicit differentiation solving a function

    Im trying to solve this function, that is part of a larger equation: \frac{d}{dx} xe^y do I need to get rid of the x term so the y term is dy/dx?
  4. J

    Solving a Calculus Problem with Implicit Differentiation

    Heres another problem I was working on... http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2318/calc2qg4.jpg Im trying to find dy/dx using implicit differentiation...my algebra is a bit rusty...but I am trying to make sure I am on the right track...
  5. T

    Query regarding implicit differentiation

    Homework Statement Use implicit diff to find partial x and partial y if x² + y² + z² = 3xyz The Attempt at a Solution firstly with partial x... 2x + 2z(∂z/∂x) = 3yz + 3xy(∂z/dx) 2x - 3yz = 3xy(∂z/dx) - 2z(∂z/∂x) 2x - 3yz = (3xy - 2z)(∂z/dx) (2x - 3yz)/(3xy - 2z) = (∂z/dx)...
  6. R

    When is the derivative of a function defined using implicit differentiation?

    Hello! I need some help here please for ppl who are familiar with implicit differentiation. Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx, in each case say where it is defined; a) y^5 +x^2 y^3 = 1+xy b) y= \frac{x^{3/2}\sqrt{7x^2 +1}}{sin(x) e^{3x^2 + 2x}}, x \neq n\pi n \in Z...
  7. A

    Implicit Function Homework: Finding Min/Max

    Homework Statement Hey. I have this problem with the second part of the question. In the first part, I needed to find all the extrema points of this implicit function and the second one is to find if it's minimum or maximum. I posted only the derivative of the implicit function and the...
  8. S

    Easy Implicit Differentiation Question

    Homework Statement y^2 = 3x^3 + 2x and y must be positive. Find the normal component of acceleration when: x=3m \dot x = 5ms^{ - 1} \ddot x = 5ms^{ - 2} 2. The attempt at a solution Well my approach would be to differentiate it implicitly twice and solve for {\ddot y}. Then I have...
  9. D

    How can I solve this implicit differentiation problem?

    so I have a implicit diffentiation problem and was wondering if someone could help me out.. I need to figure out how to get dy/dx=0 so eg if i had dy/dx = 4xy+2x/5y^2 and you want to write this in terms of y, how is this done? is there a trick?
  10. J

    What is Implicit Differentiation and How is it Related to the Chain Rule?

    Could someone please explain to me how implicit differentiation is an application of the chain rule? It would be much appreciated. By the way, if it helps, I'm a junior in high school. Thanks.
  11. C

    Implicit 'higher' differentiation

    Hi, I'm working on a cal III problem involving implicit differentiation. I have to find the second order partial derivative of an implicit function, basically: \partial2f \partialx2 now, I know that for a single order \partialf/\partialx, I would simply use the chain rule property: \partialf =...
  12. S

    Find dy/dx by implicit differentiation: 6x^2+8xy+y^2=6

    Homework Statement Find dy/dx by implicit differentiation: 6x^2+8xy+y^2=6 Homework Equations n/a The Attempt at a Solution I'm using y'=(dy/dx) I found the derivative of the above problem. 12x+8xy'+10y=0 (I used the product rule to find the derivative of 8xy') 12x+8xy'+10y=0...
  13. R

    How do I use implicit differentiation to solve these two questions?

    Im having trouble solving these two questions. I don't know where to start so I can't give an attempt at either of them. Please tell me how to do the full question if you can cause i can't check back until morning then i have to go to an exam. http://www.users.on.net/~rohanlal/one.jpg...
  14. quasar987

    About the implicit function theorem

    In the implicit function theorem, we take a C^1 function F:R^n x R^m --> R^m and given a condition on the partial derivatives at a point (x_0,y_0) such that F(x_0,y_0)=0, we conclude that the relation F(x,y)=0 implicitely defines a function f(x)=y in a nbh of x_0. I.e. the last m variables are...
  15. R

    Implicit Differentiation: Solving for dy/dx in (x^2-y^2)^2=(x+y)^3

    (x^2-y^2)^2=(x+y)^3 I tried to use the chain rule on both sides but it didn't work because y needs to have the chain rule used on it explicitly and if i differentiate y explicitly then use the chain rule on everything i would be finding the 2nd derivative. So how do i differentiate this?
  16. P

    Independent / Dependent variables for implicit functions

    This probably has a really simple answer. Forr u=x^2-y^2 and v=x^2+y^2 x and y are apparently the dependent variables. But the independent variable is the input while the dependent variable is the output, so since u=f1(x,y) and v=f2(x,y) shouldn't they (u and v) be the dependent variables?
  17. F

    Implicit differentiation to find the slope

    Homework Statement (x - h)^2 + (y - k)^2 = r^2 where h,k and r are constants The Attempt at a Solution \begin{array}{l} \frac{d}{{dx}}\left[ {(x - h)^2 + (y - k)^2 } \right] = \frac{d}{{dx}}r^2 \\ 2(x - h) + 2\frac{{dy}}{{dx}}(y - k) = 0 \\ \Rightarrow \frac{{dy}}{{dx}}...
  18. A

    Solving Implicit Functions: F1(x), F2(x) near 0

    Hello: I thought I had this but in doing the problem I realized I didn't (or maybe I didn't). One of the problems was that in class and notes all examples were done in terms of f(x,y). Obviously in h/w, the problem is given as f(x1,x2,x3) - just to confuse me ! Problem statement a- For...
  19. M

    Implicit differentiation dy/dx=xy^2

    Homework Statement If dy/dx=xy^2 and x=1 when y=1, then y= (A) x^2 (B) -2/(x^2 -3) (C) x^2 + 3 (D) 2/(x^2 +1) (E) (x^2 -3)/2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution dy/dx=xy^2 dy=xy^2dx dy/y^2=x dx ∫dy/y^2=∫x dx -1/y = x^2/2 + C y=-2/x^2 + C 1=-2/1^2 + C C=3...
  20. E

    Implicit Derivatives - Trigonometry

    Hello hello everyone... I have a problem that I've been trying to figure out for a couple of days now. Its a question off of an assignment, and I have been busting my balls(excuse my french) with no results. HELP would be GREATLY appreciated...lthis is the question at hand: xsin(y) + x^3...
  21. U

    Implicit differentiation? implicit integration?

    We have implicit differentiation: i.e. x^2 + y^2 = 7 -> 2x +2y(dy/dx) = 0. and solve for dy/dx gives you the derivative of y with respect to x However, is there not implicit integration? for terms linear in y, i.e. x^2 + y = 7 -> X^3/3 +int(y) = 7x + K, and solve for int(y) to...
  22. B

    Implicit Differentiation of Cylinder NOT given radius?

    Implicit Differentiation of Cylinder NOT given radius? Homework Statement Question: Digging in his backyard, Dennis accidentally breaks a pipe attached to his water sprinkling system. water bubbles up at a rate of 1 cm^3/s, forming a circular pond of depth 0.5cm in his yard. How quickly is...
  23. P

    Fortran What are Implicit Variables in FORTRAN and How Do They Affect Programming?

    I got a new project from my professor to calculate the form factor of the cavity for his particle detector thing. He told me to get some code from a colleague, decipher it, and use it for the new cavity. The code is in FORTRAN. I've had some programming experience, so it's not so bad, but...
  24. S

    Implicit differentiation and chain rule-

    The question and my workings are attached:
  25. DocZaius

    Is light travel time for event time calculation usually implicit?

    I am beginning a textbook on SR and I have come across the introductory example of disagreement regarding simultaneity. John is in a lab and Mary flies through the lab's corridor on a rocket. The rocket has an antenna. The antenna strikes John's pen in his shirt pocket and creates a spark. 2...
  26. E

    Implicit Differential Equation: dy/dx = xy - y^2

    If dy/dx = xy - y^2 and y(1) = 3, then y(2) is ?
  27. H

    Implicit Differentiation [SOLVED]

    [SOLVED] Implicit Differentiation -4x^2+3xy+4y^3=-328 This is at the point (3,-4) and i am trying to find m Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution here is my work -4x^2+3xy+4y^3=-328 -8x+3xy'+3y+12y^2y'=0 -8x+3y=-3xy'-12y^2y' -8x+3y=[-3x-12y^2]y'...
  28. H

    What is the error in this implicit differentiation problem at the point (1,3)?

    [SOLVED] Implicit Differentiation [b]-4x^2+3xy+4y^3=-328 This is at the point (1,3) Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution here is my work -4x^2+3xy+4y^3=-328 -8x+3xy'+3y+12y^2y'=0 -8x+3y=-3xy'-12y^2y' -8x+3y=[-3x-12y^2]y' y'=(-8x+3y)/(-3x-12y^2) plug in x=1,y=3...
  29. O

    Implicit differentiation question

    Find y' = dy/dx for x3 + y3 = 4 Okay, now what's really confusing me is that for the y3 is that you need to use the chain rule for it. When you do, the answer is 3y2(dy/dx). How does that actually work? And if anyone can give me any good advice on any good guidelines on how to properly...
  30. B

    How to Solve Implicit Differentiation Problems with Tan(xy)=xy?

    okay, so i have the problem tan(xy)=xy and i am told to implicitly differentiate in terms of x and y. when i do, i keep getting an indefinite answer. i need help because i know that's not right.
  31. B

    Implicit differentiation of one-parameter family

    Homework Statement Use implicit differentiation to show that the one parameter family f(x, y)=c satisfies the differential equation dy/dx = -f_{x}/f_{y} , where f_{x}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} and f_{y}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} .Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution Well, my...
  32. A

    How Do You Solve Second Derivatives Using Implicit Differentiation?

    Hi, I need some help with these question, and would appreciate the help. Homework Statement Part 1 Use implicit differentiation to find y'' if 2xy = y^2 Simplify and Leaev in terms of x and y. Part 2 Use implicit differentiation to find y '' if xy + y^3 = 1 Simplify your answer and...
  33. E

    Implicit Differentiation for Tangent Line Equations

    Homework Statement I need to find a tangent line equation but my main problem is isolating actually. sqrt ( 2x + 2y ) + sqrt ( 3xy) = 13 The Attempt at a Solution 0.5 ( 2x + 2y ) ^ -0.5 (2+2y') + 0.5(3xy) ^ -0.5 ( 3 ( y + y' x ) ) = 0 this is where I get stuck
  34. C

    AP calculus, implicit derivatives

    Homework Statement 1. Given the curve x² - xy + y² = 9 (a) Write a general expression for the slope of the curve (b) find the coordinates of the points on the curve where the tangents are vertical (c) at the point (0,3) find the rate of change in the slope of the curve with respect to x...
  35. R

    Implicit differentiation wrt time

    Homework Statement "A lawn sprinkler is constructed in such a way that d\theta/dt is constant, where theta ranges between 45 degrees and 135 degrees. The distance the water travels horizontally is x=v^2sin(2\theta)/32 where v is the speed of the water. Find dx/dt and explain why this lawn...
  36. N

    A few implicit differentiation problems

    1.Use implicit differentiation to find the equation of the tangent line to the curve xy^3+xy=16 at the point (8,1) . The equation of this tangent line can be written in the form y=mx+b 2.For the equation given below, evaluate y^1 at the point(1,-1) . (6x-y)^4+2y^3=2399. 3.Find the...
  37. B

    Implicit Differentiation with Trig

    Homework Statement Find the slope of the tangent line to x tan y = y - 1 when y = pi/4 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I can't seem to get the derivative. Here's what I do. First I used the product rule the left side of the equation and got sec^2 x dy/dx + tan...
  38. R

    Hard? implicit differentiation

    Homework Statement Find d^2y/dx^2 in terms of x and y. x^2y^2-2x=3 Homework Equations property rule, chain rule, quotient rule, The Attempt at a Solution I can do this the long way, but there must be a shorter solution. Can I simplify it? I've found dy/dx=(-xy^2 +2x)/(2x^2y)...
  39. K

    Determine (dy/dx) using implicit differentiation

    Determine (dy/dx) using implicit differentiation. cos(X^2Y^2) = x I'm really confused what to do now..i think the next steps are: d/dx [cos(X^2*Y^2)] = d/dx [x] = -sin(X^2*Y^2)* ((X^2*2Y dy/dx) + (Y^2*2X)) = 1 = -2YX^2 sin(X^2*Y^2) dy/dx + -2XY^2sin(X^2*Y^2) = 1 = -2YX^2 sin(X^2*Y^2)...
  40. M

    How do you differentiate (x-y) using implicit differentiation?

    I looked through my notes and couldn't figure out how to differentiate (x - y) using implicit differentiation. Could someone help with that and I should be able to work out the rest of my question :)
  41. A

    Answer Quadratic Implicit Function: Horizontal/Vertical Tangent Line

    Homework Statement a. Find dy/dx given that x^{2}=y^{2}-4x=7y=15 b. under what conditions on x and/or y is the tangent line to this curve horizontal? vertical? 2. The attempt at a solution I did solve the first question by simply using implicit fuction. 2x+2y*y'-4+ty*y'=0...
  42. M

    Find dy/dx by implicit differentiation

    Question: Find dy/dx by implicit differentiation 4x^2 + 3xy - y^2 = 6 Attempt: Ok, just a forewarning that I suck at differentiations, limits, what-not, so.. Following my textbook, it says I should Differentiate both sides of the equation So... (d/dx)(4x^2 + 3xy - y^2) = (d/dx)(6)...
  43. M

    Implicit Differentiation Problem

    Homework Statement x^{}2(x-y)^{}2=x^{}2-y^{}2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I can get this far: x[2(x-y)(1-dy/dx)]+2x(x-y)=2x-2ydy/dx Any small hint as to where to go from here would be much appreciated.
  44. L

    Implicit Differentiation is so confusing

    Hello there! Please help me relieve my confusion. Thanks! For \frac{d}{dx}[y^{3}] , why do you need to use the chain rule on this equation? Basically, the chain rule is used on almost every function right? It is just that we do not see the dx/dx since it equals one, for example...
  45. R

    Implicit Differentiation: Finding Higher Order Derivatives and Exact Solutions

    Homework Statement Hi everyone, name is Ryan. This is my first post here, seems like a very beneficial forum. I look forward to being helped and helping others. Anyway I'm trying to teach myself Implicit Differentiation but there doesn't seem like much useful resources online and I don't quite...
  46. homology

    How do I solve an implicit differentiation problem with two different answers?

    Hi guys, I have a question on an implicit differentiation problem. I get two different answers depending on how I do it and the answers are different (not just looking, but different). The problem is [tex] \frac{x+3}{y}-4x-y^2=0 [\tex]. One option is to just differentiate as it stands and you...
  47. C

    Implicit Differentiation: How to Find the Derivative of an Unknown Function?

    Homework Statement I just got started on this, and am not grasping the WHOLE idea. 1.xy=25 The answer says -y/x 2.x^2+3xy+y^2=15 And this says -y^2/x^2 Homework Equations 1. dy/dx(xy)= dy/dx(25) 1=0 ? 2.dy/dx x^2+3xy+y^2= dy/dx 15 2x+3+y(dy/dx) =0 The...
  48. S

    Implicit Differentiation problem

    Homework Statement Find dy/dx by implicit differentiation when it is known that y^2 + xsiny = 4 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution 2y dy/dt + xcosy dy/dt + siny = 0 2y dy/dt + xcosy dy/dt = -siny dy/dt + dy/dt = -siny/2y/xcosy I'm sure I'm doing it wrong so I...
  49. M

    Find dy/dx for Implicit Differentiation of cos(xy^2)-(x^3+y)/(x+1)=sec(x)sin(y)

    assistance asap is needed ! Using implicit differentiation, find dy/dx given that: cos(xy^2) - (x^3+y) / (x+1) = sec(x)sin(y) i am horrid at these, i came up with a few lines, please check them -sin(xy^2)[(y)^2+(2y)(dy/dx)(x)] - [ {(3x^2)(x+1)-(x^3+y)} / (x+1)^2] = sec(x)tan(x)sin(y) +...
  50. G

    Problems with implicit differentiation

    In a problem where I need to use implicit diff. to find the slope of a line such as: y^2 + x^2 = 9 2y (dy/dx) + 2x = 0 dy/dx = -y/x Where does the (dy/dx) after the 2y (in the second part) come from? I've already differentiated y^2, x^2, and 9. Why isn't it just 2y +...
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