Calculate the average force on the side walls of a container

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The discussion centers on calculating the average force on the side walls of a container filled with fluid, specifically addressing the pressure at different heights. Participants clarify that pressure in a fluid acts equally in all directions and is determined by the height of the fluid column above the point of interest. The confusion arises from the inclusion of the term ρgh_zA_y in the force calculation, which accounts for the pressure due to the water's weight at height h_z affecting the side wall. It is confirmed that the pressure at any depth h is given by ρgh, and the pressure varies from ρgh_z at the top to ρgh_x at the bottom of the wall. The conversation also touches on the integration method yielding correct results despite initial confusion over the variables involved.
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Homework Statement
calculate the average force on the face "y"
Relevant Equations
F = 1/2 rho*g*h*A
Hi All, in the following problem:
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the book solution
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I don't understand why he added the term
$$
\rho g h_{z} A_{y}
$$
shouldn't it just be :
$$
F = 1/2 \rho g h_{y} A_{y}
$$
 
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What would you say the pressure is at height ##h_y## on the x side?
 
haruspex said:
What would you say the pressure is at height ##h_y## on the x side?
I guess it will be ##\rho g h_{y}## but it will be a downward pressure.
 
patric44 said:
I guess it will be ##\rho g h_{y}## but it will be a downward pressure.
Pressure in a fluid has no direction, which is to say it acts equally in all directions.
 
haruspex said:
Pressure in a fluid has no direction, which is to say it acts equally in all directions.
OK, so you mean the pressure due to the weight of water contained at the z part (##\rho g h_{z}##) will act also along the right side affecting the area ##A_{y}## hence its force = ##\rho g h_{z} A_{y}##, am I correct in this interpretation.
the confusing thing also is, if I use integration it gives an equation that is the difference between two values but also outputs the correct answer.
 
patric44 said:
OK, so you mean the pressure due to the weight of water contained at the z part (##\rho g h_{z}##) will act also along the right side affecting the area ##A_{y}## hence its force = ##\rho g h_{z} A_{y}##, am I correct in this interpretation.
Yes. The pressure at depth h below the surface is ##\rho gh##, regardless of the route. So on y the pressure varies from ##\rho gh_z## at the top of y to ##\rho gh_x## at the bottom.
patric44 said:
the confusing thing also is, if I use integration it gives an equation that is the difference between two values but also outputs the correct answer.
Would that be involving ##h_x## in the difference instead of ##h_y##? If not, please post the details.
 
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