Calculate the average force on the side walls of a container

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force on the side walls of a container filled with fluid, specifically focusing on the pressure exerted at different heights within the fluid. The subject area includes fluid mechanics and pressure calculations.

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  • Participants are questioning the inclusion of specific terms in the force calculation, particularly the term related to pressure at different heights. There is a discussion about the nature of pressure in fluids and how it acts on surfaces. Some participants are exploring the implications of integrating pressure over varying heights.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying concepts related to pressure and its effects on the container walls. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of pressure at different depths, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or formula yet.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about pressure directionality and the effects of fluid weight on force calculations. There is mention of integration leading to different interpretations of the problem, indicating potential complexities in the setup.

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Homework Statement
calculate the average force on the face "y"
Relevant Equations
F = 1/2 rho*g*h*A
Hi All, in the following problem:
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the book solution
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I don't understand why he added the term
$$
\rho g h_{z} A_{y}
$$
shouldn't it just be :
$$
F = 1/2 \rho g h_{y} A_{y}
$$
 
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What would you say the pressure is at height ##h_y## on the x side?
 
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haruspex said:
What would you say the pressure is at height ##h_y## on the x side?
I guess it will be ##\rho g h_{y}## but it will be a downward pressure.
 
patric44 said:
I guess it will be ##\rho g h_{y}## but it will be a downward pressure.
Pressure in a fluid has no direction, which is to say it acts equally in all directions.
 
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haruspex said:
Pressure in a fluid has no direction, which is to say it acts equally in all directions.
OK, so you mean the pressure due to the weight of water contained at the z part (##\rho g h_{z}##) will act also along the right side affecting the area ##A_{y}## hence its force = ##\rho g h_{z} A_{y}##, am I correct in this interpretation.
the confusing thing also is, if I use integration it gives an equation that is the difference between two values but also outputs the correct answer.
 
patric44 said:
OK, so you mean the pressure due to the weight of water contained at the z part (##\rho g h_{z}##) will act also along the right side affecting the area ##A_{y}## hence its force = ##\rho g h_{z} A_{y}##, am I correct in this interpretation.
Yes. The pressure at depth h below the surface is ##\rho gh##, regardless of the route. So on y the pressure varies from ##\rho gh_z## at the top of y to ##\rho gh_x## at the bottom.
patric44 said:
the confusing thing also is, if I use integration it gives an equation that is the difference between two values but also outputs the correct answer.
Would that be involving ##h_x## in the difference instead of ##h_y##? If not, please post the details.
 

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