Calculating Mutual Inductance with Neumann Integral Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mutual inductance between two conductors using the Neumann integral. The original poster presents a diagram and describes the configuration of the conductors and the direction of the currents.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the formulation of mutual inductance using the Neumann integral and discuss the implications of the chosen surface area for the calculation. There is a suggestion to express the magnetic field due to one conductor and integrate it to find mutual inductance. Some participants question the symmetry of the approach and the finiteness of the integral.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the setup and explore different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the integral, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the approach or the results derived so far.

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Participants note difficulties in interpreting the original diagram and suggest providing clearer visual aids. There is also a mention of potential issues with the assumptions made regarding the currents and the geometry of the conductors.

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I'm having problems trying solve this problem.
Consider the two conductor system given below


|----------------------------------------------------------------|
| <------a-----> |
| I2-> ______________ |
| | | |
| | | | | |<-c->| L |
| | | |
| I1->__________|_____| |
| <-------b-------> |
|----------------------------------------------------------------|

There are 2 segments of 2 separate conductors. The direction of the currents(obviously) are along the conductors. Using the concept of Neumann integral formulate the mutual inductance between these conductors.

If anybody can help me with this problem I'll appreciate it. Thank you.
 
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Sorry, I can't make heads or tails of that diagram. Can you attach a scanned copy or something?
 
here is an attach figure done in MS WORD
 

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Well you probably got to use
<br /> M = I^{-1} \int_A \vec{B} \cdot \vec{n} \cdot da<br />
where the surface A is probably the rectangle of width c and height L, what else can it be.
We could choose I = I1 or I = I2, it must not make a difference since the inductance is mutual. So, let's choose I = I2.
Next, B (as caused by I1) can be expressed as
B(y) = \frac{DI_1}{y}
where y is the vertical distance from the lower wire. I wrote D because I'm really too lazy to type electromagnetic constants.
There's no problem with the scalar product since B is always normal to the surface.
We get
<br /> M = c\frac{I_1}{I_2} \int_0^L \frac{D}{y} dy <br />
I admit it can't be right since it's not symmetrical in the currents. Also, the integral is not finite. Does this help anyway?
 
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