Can Jet Engines Run on Hydrogen and Oxygen?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of modifying jet engines to operate on hydrogen and oxygen as fuel. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical challenges, and distinctions between jet and rocket propulsion systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a conventional jet engine could theoretically use hydrogen, but highlight challenges related to cryogenic storage.
  • Others mention that scramjets are designed to run on hydrogen and do not have moving parts.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy available from ignition, noting that hydrogen and pure oxygen can be hazardous without proper facilities.
  • One participant argues that using hydrogen and oxygen in a jet engine would classify it as a rocket engine, as jets are defined to run on air.
  • A later reply references the SR-71, suggesting it was originally conceived to run on hydrogen and air, discussing the energy density and cooling benefits of hydrogen, while also noting density as a significant challenge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a jet engine can operate on hydrogen and oxygen, with some asserting it cannot due to the definition of jet propulsion, while others explore theoretical possibilities. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of jet versus rocket propulsion, the practical challenges of cryogenic storage, and the safety concerns associated with hydrogen and oxygen combustion.

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thinking of a project and was wondering can a jet engine be modified to run on just hydrogen and oxygen as the fuel, or is it too explosive? if not can a pulse jet?
 
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In theory a conventional jet engine could use hydrogen, but because it is normally stored in a cryogenic storage system, there are some difficulties.

Scramjets have been invision to run on hydrogen - no moving parts.
 
I think the first major thing to look at would be the amount of energy available from the ignition. Jet-A has a net heat of cumbustion of 43.2 MJ/kg. Also, H2 is not a gas that you want to play around with. Neither is pure O2 for that matter. Unless you have access to an explosion proof facility, I'd think of a different project.
 
No... you can't make a jet engine run on H2/O2... it wouldn't be a jet... it would be what we like to call a "rocket".

By definition, jets run on air... dumping a fuel and oxidizer together to combust is the definition of a rocket engine.
 
Yapper said:
thinking of a project and was wondering can a jet engine be modified to run on just hydrogen and oxygen as the fuel, or is it too explosive? if not can a pulse jet?
The SR-71, as originally conceived was to run on hydrogen and air. The biggest pro is, as Fred said, energy per unit mass, and the biggest con is density, not cryogenics (for the SR-71, anyway - for more mundane use, cryogenics would be an issue too). For the SR-71, cryogenics was a pro because the hydrogen could have been used to cool the airframe. The low density would have resulted in a 300 foot long plane.
 

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