Design a Venturi Pump with Compressed Air and Water: Feasibility & Parameters

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of designing a Venturi pump that utilizes compressed air and water as the motive and suction fluids, respectively. Participants explore various parameters, including the required dimensions for the air nozzle and Venturi, water discharge rates, and the implications of using compressed air for lifting water from a shallow well.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, A N Madhavan, outlines the parameters of the proposed Venturi pump, including the use of 6 CFM air at 7 bar and a suction lift of about 5 meters, seeking to understand the feasibility and specific dimensions required.
  • Another participant suggests that while the premise may be achievable, the output could result in an atomized mist rather than a solid water stream, questioning the sufficiency of the specified air parameters for the required lift.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of basic calculations related to water weight and atmospheric pressure to determine the necessary vacuum for lifting water, without claiming expertise in Venturi design.
  • Another approach proposed involves using a water-based Venturi pump, suggesting a setup with a ground-level tank to facilitate water drawing from the well, akin to a siphon mechanism.
  • One participant notes that Venturi pumps are typically not designed for high efficiency and discusses the potential for cavitation when lifting water beyond certain depths, indicating that the placement of the Venturi affects flow and noise levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using compressed air for the proposed application, with some supporting the idea while others raise concerns about the effectiveness and output characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design and expected performance of the pump.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the efficiency of the Venturi design, the impact of atmospheric pressure on water lifting capabilities, and the potential for cavitation, which may not be fully addressed in the discussion.

A N Madhavan
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I am trying to develop a Ventury
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Pump using Compressed Air a d Motive Fluid and Suction Fluid is Water from Shallow Well.
Compressed Air parameter is 6CFM Air at 7 bar using 2hp Motor & Compressor set, and required Suction Lift is about 5m. Discharge is to open atmosphere at Well Head.
Whether this feasible and if yes,
1. What would be the water discharge?
2. What is the required Air Nozzle and Venturi dimensions?

Regards
A N Madhavan
 
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I believe the main premise, could be achieved, however the water would come out as an atomized mist, @ the well head/ venturi discharge. To try an inexpensive trial, you could purchase a used, smallest, early aircraft venturi, used to power directional gyro's, bank/ turn indicators and the like. I'm not too sure if the 6cfm part @ 7 bar would be sufficient to draw the required 5m depth..
 
You should be able to do some basic math knowing how much water weighs and what the maximum height you should be able to lift it based on the maximum atmospheric pressure. I am not telling you that you should know how to design a venturi, but you should easily be able to figure out how much vacuum you need.
 
If an air based pump isn't going to work, you could use a water based venturi pump, starting with a partially filled ground level tank for a water source to the pump, to draw water from the well back into the tank, similar to the ones used to start a siphon with aquariums.
 
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A venturi is mainly used where efficiency is not the priority. Water venturi is used at the bottom of a well to assist the lift to avoid cavitation when the lift is more than 33 feet, kind of a push plus pull setup. Placing the venturi at the intake would give best flow but with lots of bubbles and mist and noise.
At 27 feet the lift would be marginal with the venturi at the top.
 

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